A betrayed business partner. Five years of anger and sleepless nights. A vow of forgiveness that the mind made but the body refused to keep. That was Hindra Gunawan's life before he found Tension and Trauma Releasing Exercises (TRE®) — and a seven-minute phone call afterward showed him something had changed at a level no amount of willpower had reached.

In this episode, Alex sits down with Hindra Gunawan — Indonesia's first TRE provider and now its certification trainer — to trace that arc: from physics teacher to tuition-center entrepreneur; from the betrayal that stole his sleep to the training room in Singapore where sixty people tremored and he didn't; from paying for radio spots he couldn't yet explain to reaching more than 40,000 Indonesians; and from a single vow in Phoenix, Arizona — "TRE must be learned by all Indonesian people" — to celebrating his team's 1,000th workshop with Dr. David Berceli. Along the way: leading Neurogenic Tremoring safely with 600 soldiers at a time, the Shaka Foundation's work with teachers, police, and disaster survivors, the durian farm he planted to fund it all, and the 3 a.m. phone commitment every Indonesian provider makes to their alumni.

Hindra Gunawan is a TRE® certification trainer and provider based in Jakarta, Indonesia. A former physics teacher and education entrepreneur, he became Indonesia's first TRE provider in 2013 and has since built one of the most active TRE communities in the world — over 1,000 workshops delivered and more than 40,000 people reached. He leads TRE Indonesia and co-founded the Shaka Foundation with Dr. David Berceli, a not-for-profit bringing TRE to teachers, police, military personnel, and communities affected by natural disasters across Indonesia.

⏱ KEY HIGHLIGHTS

0:00 Welcome & introductions — a decade of inspiration

5:57 The physics teacher whose students wouldn't let him go

7:38 Building a tuition-center business — five branches and a franchise

9:46 The betrayal that brought five years of anger and sleepless nights

10:48 "I said I forgive them — but when I heard their voice, the anger came back"

12:19 Sixty people tremoring in Singapore — and Hindra didn't

13:19 The second training: anger rising from stomach to throat

15:01 The seven-minute phone call that changed everything

16:00 Phoenix, 2013 — "TRE must be learned by all Indonesian people"

20:20 Radio ads he couldn't explain — and 40,000 people later

22:50 The Shaka Foundation: disasters, guardians, and teachers

27:39 A durian farm with a mission

31:05 "Almost every day I get a testimonial" — what Hindra is most proud of

33:40 Why people stop — the wound-washing analogy and lifelong free gatherings

36:46 Leading Neurogenic Tremoring safely with groups of 600

43:57 The 3 a.m. commitment every Indonesian provider makes

49:23 An earthquake, a traumatized boy, and what the tremors made possible

52:31 Tremor stigma in Indonesian culture — "this is very natural"

57:11 "TRE is a gift" — one world, one family

🔗 RESOURCES & LINKS

Connect with Hindra Gunawan — TRE® certification trainer in Jakarta, Indonesia, leader of TRE Indonesia and co-founder of the Shaka Foundation. https://www.treindonesia.com/

Also mentioned: Dr. David Berceli (creator of TRE®, co-founder of the Shaka Foundation), Chris Balsley (Hindra's first TRE teacher), TRE Indonesia, and the Shaka Foundation. (Full links in the internal notes below.)

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Most people meet Neurogenic Tremoring through trauma work. This conversation asks a different question: what if kids learned it first — as a built-in resilience skill, before the world ever tells them something is wrong?

In this episode, Alex sits down with three women working at the frontier of that idea — Vera Live, Špela Potočnik, and Katja Jarc — to trace how Neurogenic Tremoring is being reframed for youth: why nervous system regulation has been “kept behind the clinical wall”; how Vera co-developed the book Dynamic Superpower: Inner Strength for Kids & Teens with TRE® creator Dr. David Berceli; and how Špela and Katja piloted a school curriculum in Slovenia where five to seven minutes of guided tremoring, twice a week, began changing how teenage students slept, focused, and felt in their own bodies. Along the way: the science stations that teach kids about the vagus nerve and interoception, why a safe relationship matters more than a perfect protocol, and how the body becomes a friend rather than a problem to fix.

Vera Live co-founded Dynamic Superpower with Dr. David Berceli to bring the body’s natural tremoring reflex to kids and teens as a proactive resilience tool, not a clinical intervention. A PE teacher, yoga trainer, and certified TRE® provider, she works to equip the adults in children’s lives to pass on nervous system training safely. Find the work at https://www.reflexomobility.org

Špela Potočnik is a Slovenian youth counselor, social pedagogue, and school counselor with nearly 20 years in schools, a certified TRE® provider, and one of two pilot developers behind the Slovenia study. She collaborates with the Intigrum Institute and advocates for burnout prevention in schools.

Katja Jarc is a primary school teacher, marriage and family therapist, gestalt counselor, arts therapies specialist, and certified TRE® provider — the second Slovenia pilot developer. Through her practice, Manus Katja Jarc, she has integrated body-oriented and dance-movement work for over 13 years, and co-led the 2024 “TRE with Kids” training in Amsterdam with Vera.

⏱ KEY HIGHLIGHTS

• 0:00 Welcome & introductions
• 6:04 The problem: regulation “kept behind the clinical wall”
• 6:42 Giving youth agency: “the body is really your best friend”
• 8:28 How the name “dynamic superpower” came to be
• 10:07 Špela on test anxiety, panic attacks, and the missing body piece
• 14:23 Adapting tremoring for kids — toys, play, and safety
• 15:52 The book as a manual, not just a story
• 20:20 Science stations: three brains, the vagus nerve, interoception
• 22:17 A 10-year-old reads it cold — and tremors on their own
• 25:51 A mother, a doctor, and her daughter’s aha moment
• 28:53 Lifting the stigma: “this is your power”
• 33:53 Inside the Slovenia pilot: how it began
• 35:20 Five to seven minutes, twice a week
• 43:14 Špela’s surprise: how little tremoring is enough 4
• 5:10 The real key — a safe relationship
• 50:01 What’s next: educational programs & specialized guides
• 57:14 Closing reflections: “pay attention, become astonished”

🔗 RESOURCES & LINKS

Connect with the guests — Reflexive Mobility Academy (Vera Live): https://www.reflexomobility.org · Špela Potočnik: https://www.mojesledi.com · Katja Jarc: practice MANUS. The Slovenia pilot and the family’s TRE® videos with Dr. Berceli are linked in the internal notes below.

Also mentioned: Dr. David Berceli (creator of TRE®), Linnea Gillen, Dr. Lisa Glenk, the Intigrum Institute, and the International Baccalaureate framework.

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Most people come to tremoring looking for relief. Jared came looking for depth. By the time he found Tension and Trauma Releasing Exercises (TRE®), he'd spent nearly a decade inside ancient yoga, Daoist Qigong, and nondual meditation — and what he wasn't expecting was that a single video, found mid-session on the floor of his own room, would finally let all of it land in his body.

In this episode, Alex sits down with Jared to trace that arc: years of self-study in Qigong and Kriya; the night he searched "how to release trauma" and stumbled onto TRE; and the first three months when, in his words, "everything became felt in my body." Along the way they get into pausing inside a session, the integration that happens lying still afterward, lowering your baseline beneath the polyvagal curve, and the paradox at the heart of his path — nondual teachers say let go of the body, while tremoring keeps inviting him further in.

Jared is also leading a guest workshop for the Neurogenic Integration community on Thursday, October 22, 2026 — a chance to experience what brings tremoring alive for him, firsthand.

Jared Dahmer is a TRE® provider certified through Red Beard's TRE certification pathway, based in Louisiana, USA. Before TRE, he spent six to seven years in deep self-study of Daoist Qigong — in the lineage of Jonathan White, Michael Winn, and Mantak Chia — alongside ancient yoga, Kriya, and nondual meditation. He teaches both TRE and Qigong and offers one-on-one sessions, exploring tremoring not only as a way to release stress and trauma, but as a catalyst for embodiment and awakening.

⏱ KEY HIGHLIGHTS

0:00 Welcome & introductions

2:00 Starting Qigong in 2020: the search for deeper connection

4:00 An experience at twenty that changed everything

6:00 What is Qigong? "The art of subtle breath"

8:00 Kriya, Kundalini & feeling "turned on by life from within"

10:00 Defining "deep": the body as temple

15:00 Searching "how to release trauma" — and finding TRE

16:00 "Tickled from within": laughter, tears, and arriving at safety

17:00 The morning after: long-term TRE and getting hooked

20:00 The first three months: "everything became felt in my body"

22:00 "I feel myself": dropping the character

25:00 Pausing inside a session: the weightlifting analogy

27:00 Integration: how lying still teaches the body to meditate

29:00 Beneath the polyvagal curve: lowering your baseline

36:00 Teaching others: intimacy, relationships & feeling safe

40:00 "Medicine for the nervous system"

44:00 Where tremoring meets nondual meditation

50:00 Closing reflections: "I just want the world to feel safer"

🔗 RESOURCES & LINKS

Connect with Jared Dahmer — TRE® provider & Qigong teacher, Louisiana, USA, currently offering one-on-one sessions. Linktree: https://linktr.ee/jaredjoyyy

Also mentioned: David Berceli (creator of TRE®), Jonathan White, Michael Winn, Mantak Chia, Mika Devos, Tree Wiseblood, Christina Guillaume, Ramana Maharshi, and the book The Direct Means to Eternal Bliss. (Full links in the internal notes below.)

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⏱ KEY HIGHLIGHTS
Lynea's Journey — From Yoga to YogaCalm to TRE
00:00 — Welcome & Introductions: Alex in Boulder, Lynea in Portland
03:00 — "It Worked With My Body": Finding Yoga at 15 and a Nervous System That Didn't Respond to Talk
05:00 — When Yoga Opened the Trauma: Why Practitioners Didn't Know What to Do, and the Gap Between Body and Story
06:30 — Building YogaCalm: Combining Yoga and Counseling in Behavior Classrooms — and Writing the Book Teachers Tried to Censor
09:00 — Grassroots Growth: Why Seeding One Teacher at a Time Worked Better Than Mandating It School-Wide
10:00 — Finding David Berceli Online: One Client Who Slept Better Than He'd Slept, and a Workshop in Canada
12:00 — The Evidence Base Is Growing: Presenting TRE at the IVAT Trauma Conference in Honolulu
14:00 — Adapting TRE for Youth: Culture First, Adults First, and the Mistakes That Taught Lynea to Slow Down
18:30 — A Mother-Teen Study in China: 140 Dyads, Eight Weeks of TRE, and Why This Design Matters

21:00 — David Berceli's Question: Can Somatic Practices Reach Youth Where They Actually Live — On Social Media?
24:00 — "Find One Thing in Your Heart": Why Counseling Works Better on the Floor
25:00 — "It Takes a Village, but the Villages Don't Exist": The Nervous System Availability Crisis in Schools
26:30 — Relaxation vs. Distraction: The Boy Who Checked His Heart Rate and Realized Video Games Weren't Calming Him
30:00 — Dopamine Too Fast, Too Often: Why Digital Reward Cycles Hijack What the Body Needs

34:00 — "TRE Is Faster at Bringing People Into the Body Than Any Other Modality I've Ever Used"
38:00 — The Boy Who Never Learned TRE: A Middle Schooler with Panic Attacks, a Wall, and Snapping Fingers
42:00 — Yoga Was Strange in the '80s Too: Why the Path to Normalizing TRE for Youth Looks Familiar
44:00 — Coming Out of Freeze: Why the Arch of Activation Can Scare Everyone in the Room

Closing

53:00 — Closing Reflections: Building a Global Community That Shares Ideas Instead of Prescribing Answers


🔗 RESOURCES & LINKS MENTIONED

Connect with Lynea Gillen
Licensed Professional Counselor, Global TRE® Trainer & co-founder of YogaCalm, Portland, Oregon
Website: yogacalm.org

YogaCalm Resources
• Yoga Calm for Children by Lynea Gillen & Jim Gillen — https://www.amazon.com/Yoga-Calm-Children-Educating-Heart/dp/0979928907
• Good People Everywhere by Lynea Gillen, illustrated by Kristina Swarner — https://www.amazon.com/Good-People-Everywhere-Lynea-Gillen/dp/0979928982
• YogaCalm Summer Immersion Retreat — https://www.yogacalm.org/courses/summer-immersion-2026/

Lynea's next TRE Certification Training: https://www.yogacalm.org/courses/tension-trauma-releasing-exercises-module-1-certification-training-sept-26-27-2026/

Her next Continuing Education, for existing providers: https://www.yogacalm.org/courses/moving-out-of-freeze-with-tre-may-23-2026/

Contact email: info@yogacalm.org

In person, Summer, Yoga Calm Training: https://www.yogacalm.org/courses/summer-immersion-2026/

Her book, Good People Everywhere: https://www.amazon.com/Good-People-Everywhere-Lynea-Gillen/dp/0979928982/ref=sr_1_1?crid=1Q0L8LDYWT2N0&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.5zQ46nUrYY4NOu1djVIaTjdTwYGxWkqN7RixdKVG3K2fjUvULURTt8v-Dg_OJqEm37GZDxeeFY0A7w55SY3ASgst-W19jwVDlXPt0MFjpLntoJeIMcQ9umsZxzzudmiVis6c8yhfnrjep31AD8jkYjM6z0Fn0s7Zs5MDVPE-x2AMsb4QOvnfNzWycdFRjiANd7_46X0cD3aVHkSyk4jZRIakJu6uTZQaFzCgZBbJvw8.CIBfNvAw2RcHU4J3l2y87V8yl08FTlIjK_DtE58E_c4&dib_tag=se&keywords=good+people+everywhere+book&qid=1775673677&sprefix=good+people+everywh%2Caps%2C233&sr=8-1


Research and People Mentioned
• Dr. David Berceli — Creator of TRE®: https://treglobal.org
• IVAT — Institute on Violence, Abuse and Trauma (Hawai'i Summit): https://www.ivatcenters.org/
• Dr. Stephen Porges — Polyvagal Theory: https://www.stephenporges.com
• Špela Potočnik & Katja — TRE pilot study with youth in Slovenian educational settings (referenced by Alex; study details pending)
• China RCT — Randomized controlled trial of TRE with 140 mother-adolescent dyads at a psychiatric hospital (currently recruiting)
• Still Face Experiment — Dr. Edward Tronick's foundational research on caregiver emotional availability

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In this episode, Alex sits down with Tanya Beard, MN, BN — Executive Director at TRE for All (TFA), the global nonprofit that has stewarded TRE certification trainings for nearly fifteen years. Tanya comes to this role through a career most people don't take a straight line through: pediatric oncology and bone marrow transplant nursing at twenty-two, ten years as a child and family psychiatric nurse practitioner, service in the Air National Guard and Air Force Reserves, consulting with schools and families, and — after the pandemic — a job at her local public library. Underneath all of it was one consistent instinct: bring the body into the room. Walking sessions with teenage clients, yoga, mindfulness, breath. Then a single optional after-hours class introduced her to TRE, and the trajectory bent again.

Tanya Beard, MN, BN, is the Executive Director at TRE for All (TFA), the global nonprofit overseeing TRE® certification trainings worldwide. Based in Washington State, she brings more than two decades of nursing and clinical experience to the role — beginning as a pediatric oncology nurse at Doernbecher Children's Hospital, later working for roughly a decade as a child and family psychiatric nurse practitioner, and serving with the Air National Guard and Air Force Reserves. She is a certified TRE® provider trained by the late Susan Shifman, and has consulted with schools, families, and treatment centers on body-based approaches to nervous system care. Learn more about TRE for All at treglobal.org.

⏱ KEY HIGHLIGHTS
00:00 — Welcome & Introductions: Alex with Tanya Beard, New Executive Director at TRE for All
02:30 — From Pediatric Oncology at 22 to Child & Family Psychiatric Nurse Practitioner
05:30 — Bringing the Body Into the Room: Walking Sessions, Yoga & Breath in Clinical Practice
07:30 — "Effervescence": Tanya's First TRE Session at a Yoga Calm Training with Lynea Gillen
10:00 — Down the Rabbit Hole: Discovering Dr. David Berceli and Training with Susan Shifman
14:00 — Kicked by a Horse: What Being a Patient Taught Her About Nursing
22:30 — Population Health, the Air National Guard, and a Pivot Toward Prevention
27:00 — Pandemic Reset: The Library Job and an Unexpected Phone Call
28:30 — A "Body Yes": Saying Yes to the TFA Board During a Time of Transition
33:00 — Three Pillars: Clarity, Conduct & Accessibility at TRE for All
36:00 — The Scope: ~95 Trainers, 65+ Countries, Thousands of Providers Worldwide
42:30 — Three Field Stories: NYC Firefighters, Missionary Sisters in Cameroon, and Mayan Villages in Guatemala
48:00 — TRE's "Flexible Skeleton": A Clear Shape That Travels Across Cultures
55:00 — Where the Research Is Heading: Denmark's MS Trial and New Studies from China
1:03:30 — A Stoplight, a Stranger, and Permission to Shake
1:10:00 — How Tremoring Supports Tanya Inside a Job with a Global Inbox
1:15:00 — Conflict as Part of Loving Well: Stepping In, Not Around
1:21:00 — Closing Reflections

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In this episode, Alex sits down with Gabriel to explore one of the most unusual origin stories in the NI community: a meditator who came to neurogenic tremoring not through a workshop or a training, but through his own body's spontaneous intelligence. Their conversation moves through Gabriel's childhood states of effortless meditation in Romania, the schooling that gradually shut those states down, his rediscovery of deep presence through Eckhart Tolle, and the seven years he spent tremoring alone without knowing anyone else did this too. Then — what changed when he finally learned TRE existed, why he dove straight into the practitioner training, and how he now integrates tremoring with Reiki, salsa warmups, singing bowls, and light language in his sessions with clients.

This is a conversation about neurogenic tremoring as more than release — as playfulness, as meditation, as a continuum that lives not just on the mat, but walking, swimming, driving, and waiting in line at the supermarket.

Gabriel Kaszab is a TRE® practitioner and Reiki practitioner based in Brisbane, Australia. He came to neurogenic tremoring spontaneously through a meditation practice he developed in his thirties, and practiced privately for seven years before discovering TRE® and training as a provider. He facilitates individual and group sessions in Brisbane, integrating TRE® with Reiki, intuitive bodywork, and somatic movement. Find him at gabrielkaszab.com.

⏱ KEY HIGHLIGHTS
00:00 — Welcome & Introductions: Alex in Boulder, Gabriel in Brisbane
02:00 — Childhood in Romania: Spontaneous Meditation States That "Just Happened"
05:00 — Schooling and the Gradual Closing Down (by age 9 or 10)
06:00 — The Search Begins in His Twenties: Salsa, Photography & the Hunger for Something More
08:00 — Eckhart Tolle and the Moment of Recognition: "He Talks That Language"
10:00 — The Middle-of-the-Night Moment: First Spontaneous Tremoring
12:00 — Seven Years of Private Practice: Daily Tremoring Without a Name for It
14:00 — Coffee with Emmeline: "That Sounds Like TRE"
17:00 — What Knowing TRE Changed — and What Stayed the Same
20:00 — Diving Into the Practitioner Training: Not to Facilitate, Just to Embody
22:00 — The Varieties of Autogenic Movement: Shaking, Myofascial Flow, Pandiculation, Pulse & Mudras
29:00 — What Pandiculation Actually Is (and Why It Feels Alchemical)
32:00 — TRE as the Playfulness of Meditation
36:00 — Tremoring as a Continuum: Walking, Driving, Swimming, the Bus Stop
39:00 — Family and the Ones Who Don't Quite Get It (Yet)
41:00 — His Parents' Stories: A Mother Who Thought She Had Parkinson's, a Father Whose Vertigo Shakes Away
44:00 — Becoming a Practitioner: "I Had Nothing to Offer — And That Was the Point"
46:00 — How Intuition Opened: Sensing What's Happening in a Client's Body
49:00 — Salsa as Warmup: What Dancers Know That TRE Can Use
52:00 — Singing Bowls, Group Sessions & Entering Tremoring from a Place of Presence
54:00 — Keith Motz, Shaking Medicine & the Global Community of Shakers
57:00 — Reiki and Tremoring: Why They Work Together So Well
01:04:00 — Light Language, Intuitive Touch & Meeting People Where They Are
01:08:00 — Closing Reflection: It Doesn't Have to Be Serious. This Is Fun.

🔗 RESOURCES & LINKS MENTIONED
Gabriel Kaszab — TRE® & Reiki practitioner, Brisbane: gabrielkaszab.com
Emmeline — TRE provider, Australia (Gabriel's first introduction to TRE)
Dr. David Berceli — Creator of TRE®: https://treglobal.org
Richmond Heath — TRE provider and trainer, Australia: https://tre4you.com.au
Dr. Keith Motz — Shaking Medicine & therapeutic tremoring: [link]
Eckhart Tolle — The Power of Now & Stillness Speaks: https://www.eckharttolle.com
Continuum Movement — Body-based somatic practice: https://continuummovement.com
Ratu Bagus — Shaking meditation retreat, Bali: https://ratubagus.com
Seitai Katsugen Undo — Japanese form of autogenic movement

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