A betrayed business partner. Five years of anger and sleepless nights. A vow of forgiveness that the mind made but the body refused to keep. That was Hindra Gunawan's life before he found Tension and Trauma Releasing Exercises (TRE®) — and a seven-minute phone call afterward showed him something had changed at a level no amount of willpower had reached.

In this episode, Alex sits down with Hindra Gunawan — Indonesia's first TRE provider and now its certification trainer — to trace that arc: from physics teacher to tuition-center entrepreneur; from the betrayal that stole his sleep to the training room in Singapore where sixty people tremored and he didn't; from paying for radio spots he couldn't yet explain to reaching more than 40,000 Indonesians; and from a single vow in Phoenix, Arizona — "TRE must be learned by all Indonesian people" — to celebrating his team's 1,000th workshop with Dr. David Berceli. Along the way: leading Neurogenic Tremoring safely with 600 soldiers at a time, the Shaka Foundation's work with teachers, police, and disaster survivors, the durian farm he planted to fund it all, and the 3 a.m. phone commitment every Indonesian provider makes to their alumni.

Hindra Gunawan is a TRE® certification trainer and provider based in Jakarta, Indonesia. A former physics teacher and education entrepreneur, he became Indonesia's first TRE provider in 2013 and has since built one of the most active TRE communities in the world — over 1,000 workshops delivered and more than 40,000 people reached. He leads TRE Indonesia and co-founded the Shaka Foundation with Dr. David Berceli, a not-for-profit bringing TRE to teachers, police, military personnel, and communities affected by natural disasters across Indonesia.

⏱ KEY HIGHLIGHTS

0:00 Welcome & introductions — a decade of inspiration

5:57 The physics teacher whose students wouldn't let him go

7:38 Building a tuition-center business — five branches and a franchise

9:46 The betrayal that brought five years of anger and sleepless nights

10:48 "I said I forgive them — but when I heard their voice, the anger came back"

12:19 Sixty people tremoring in Singapore — and Hindra didn't

13:19 The second training: anger rising from stomach to throat

15:01 The seven-minute phone call that changed everything

16:00 Phoenix, 2013 — "TRE must be learned by all Indonesian people"

20:20 Radio ads he couldn't explain — and 40,000 people later

22:50 The Shaka Foundation: disasters, guardians, and teachers

27:39 A durian farm with a mission

31:05 "Almost every day I get a testimonial" — what Hindra is most proud of

33:40 Why people stop — the wound-washing analogy and lifelong free gatherings

36:46 Leading Neurogenic Tremoring safely with groups of 600

43:57 The 3 a.m. commitment every Indonesian provider makes

49:23 An earthquake, a traumatized boy, and what the tremors made possible

52:31 Tremor stigma in Indonesian culture — "this is very natural"

57:11 "TRE is a gift" — one world, one family

🔗 RESOURCES & LINKS

Connect with Hindra Gunawan — TRE® certification trainer in Jakarta, Indonesia, leader of TRE Indonesia and co-founder of the Shaka Foundation. https://www.treindonesia.com/

Also mentioned: Dr. David Berceli (creator of TRE®, co-founder of the Shaka Foundation), Chris Balsley (Hindra's first TRE teacher), TRE Indonesia, and the Shaka Foundation. (Full links in the internal notes below.)

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