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  • 2026 KYSHRM: Interview with Chris Dietrich, Simple VMS

    2026 KYSHRM: Interview with Chris Dietrich, Simple VMS
    Oct 12 2026

    Chris Dietrich, Sales Executive with SimpleVMS, joined hosts Jamie Swaim and Jason Heflin at the 2026 Kentucky SHRM Conference to discuss how modern technology transforms contingent workforce management. Based out of Cincinnati, Ohio, SimpleVMS has served North America for 15 years with a 96% client retention rate under month-to-month agreements while preparing for global expansion next year. Many companies still manage temporary agency programs using spreadsheets and email chains, creating severe visibility gaps. SimpleVMS modernizes this process by delivering a single platform that streamlines four key operational areas: job posting, timekeeping, reporting and analytics, and consolidated invoicing. Additionally, the platform provides multiple layers of protection to mitigate complex co-employment risks associated with managing temporary staff. When asked for his hypothetical keynote walk-up song, Chris selected "We Are the Champions" by Queen. He concluded his appearance by asking future guests about their favorite Louisville spots, recommending the pretzel beer cheeseburger at Monnik Beer Co..

    Chris, thanks for stopping by to speak with us!

    To Learn More about SimpleVMS:

    Website: http://www.simplevms.com/

    That's where we'll leave the conversation for today. Before we close the file, we invite you to reach out to us with questions, suggestions or other comments. We'd love to hear from you.

    Need Help Supporting Your Company's Recruiting and Staffing Goals? We're here to help. You can contact us via our individual websites, depending on your specific needs or questions:

    • Jamie Swaim, SPHR – http://www.ParcelKnows.com

    • Molley Ricketts – http://www.IncipioWorks.com

    • Jason Heflin – http://www.CrowdSouth.com

    We hope you found this file insightful and helpful. Thank you for listening!
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    8 min
  • 2026 KYSHRM: Interview with Dana Syme, Incipio Workforce Solutions

    2026 KYSHRM: Interview with Dana Syme, Incipio Workforce Solutions
    Oct 7 2026

    Dana Syme, Director of Client Experience at Incipio Workforce Solutions, joined hosts Jason Heflin, Jamie Swaim, and Molley Ricketts as the first guest at the 2026 Kentucky SHRM Conference. In her role, Dana acts as the bridge between clients, internal teams, and service partners to ensure an outstanding client experience across all operations except invoicing. Core challenges she solves for clients revolve around finding the right talent and keeping employees engaged over time.

    While organizations often make grand promises during recruitment, retention suffers when the daily workplace reality fails to align with that advertised culture. Drawing on a diverse career path spanning talent acquisition, employer branding, marketing, and HR consulting, Dana brings broad industry expertise to her work. She considers her ultimate superpower to be a connector who lives by the motto "I don't know, but I know who knows," connecting clients to specialized experts when complex issues arise.

    Continuing the podcast's tradition of connecting guest insights, Dana asked the next participant what their walk-up song would be if they were a KYSHRM keynote speaker? She shared that her own personal hype song is "So What'cha Want" by the Beastie Boys.

    Dana, thanks for stopping by to speak with us! That's where we'll leave the conversation for today. Before we close the file, we invite you to reach out to us with questions, suggestions or other comments. We'd love to hear from you. Need Help Supporting Your Company's Recruiting and Staffing Goals? We're here to help. You can contact us via our individual websites, depending on your specific needs or questions: • Jamie Swaim, SPHR – http://www.ParcelKnows.com • Molley Ricketts – http://www.IncipioWorks.com • Jason Heflin – http://www.CrowdSouth.com We hope you found this file insightful and helpful. Thank you for listening!
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    7 min
  • Women's Health Is a Workplace Issue | What Leaders Can't Ignore

    Women's Health Is a Workplace Issue | What Leaders Can't Ignore
    Sep 22 2026
    File 43: Recorded before a live audience at the Goodwill Opportunity Center in collaboration with LeadWell, File 43 of the Workforce Therapy Files features nurse practitioner Gaby Jaggers discussing the critical intersection of women's health and workplace retention. Jamie Johnson introduced LeadWell's mission to destigmatize topics like burnout, the sandwich generation, menopause, and fertility in professional settings. Gaby debunked prevalent health myths regarding severe period pain, postpartum recovery, and menopause, noting that 100% of women experience hormonal transitions that directly affect their productivity and well-being. She urged business leaders to take accountability by actively asking employees what they need through anonymous feedback rather than allowing chronic stress to drive turnover. Through integrative medicine, Gaby advocates for discovering root causes of symptoms rather than relying on quick pharmaceutical fixes. Essential interventions discussed include comprehensive lab testing, whole-food nutrition, and targeted supplementation with magnesium, vitamin D, and methylated multivitamins. Additionally, the episode stresses that executive leaders must model healthy boundaries and enforce real PTO usage to foster sustainable organizational cultures. All ticket proceeds from this live recording were donated directly to support the Goodwill Opportunity Center. Episode Transcript: Molley Ricketts: Thank you all for coming in, getting your breakfast. I hope it was delicious. The folks at Black Coffee put amazing food together and their coffee is spot on. So we'll let everybody get their seats and then we'll kick off. Jamie Swaim: Molley, before we do that. Molley Ricketts: Yeah? Jamie Swaim: I have a confession. This is also my first live podcast recording, so we're going to get this unlocked together and I'm excited about that, but I'm a little bit nervous about it. I don't know about everybody else. This is an ad hoc conversation. If you ever spent any time with us, sometimes we spitball… Molley Ricketts: And wing it? We're not going to wing it though, once we start. Jamie Swaim: We actually had one recording where we had to start over. So that could happen today too because whenever we're together, we like to laugh and sometimes we need to edit that out. You know what I mean? Molley Ricketts: Because the laugh's a little too much. Jamie Swaim: That's right. So there might be some things that we need to do that today. We'll try not to, but… Molley Ricketts: Yeah. Jamie Swaim: Alright. Molley Ricketts: Okay. Jamie Swaim: Everybody's taking a seat. Molley Ricketts: Good morning and welcome to the LeadWell Live Audience podcast recording with Ms. Gaby Jaggers. Yay. We are so excited that you're here. And before we kick it off, I would like to introduce a dear friend, Ms. Jamie Johnson, and she's going to let everybody know a little bit more about LeadWell and how this all came about. Jamie Johnson: Yes. Thank you so much for having me. I'm excited to be here. I'm excited to hear the conversation today, because I think this is much needed. So LeadWell was really started about a year and a half ago. There's a group of seven women that we came together and decided that there's things that we need to talk about that are not discussed in the workplace. There's a lot of things that women have to deal with that men do not. There's the burnout, the mental load of taking care of everyone else. There's the sandwich generation right now where a lot of women are not only taking care of their own kids, but their parents too, and how that affects us showing up to work. Menopause, fertility issues. I mean, the list doesn't end. So we just wanted to create a safe space where women could come together and talk to each other about what's going on, find solutions, and really just empower you to know that you can still show up to work, be your authentic self. So we're excited today for the women's health conversation because that is one piece that I think is not talked about a lot at work. Molley Ricketts: I agree. I think we can all agree with that one, right? So before we kick off in our interview with Gaby, I'd like to give a special shout out to a few of our sponsors and one in particular today, our presenting sponsor, She Knows Best. We've got our table set over here in the room, the international bestseller that I'm so proud to have been a part of with another group of amazing women that I have in my circle. And that's truly what it's about. It's lifting your circle for that next season of life that we all tend to find ourselves in. And here's the other page. It's on the other side. Nothing like live audience for that. Many of our sponsors such as Junior League of Louisville. So grateful for your commitment and the support of this community that we've had from Old National Bank, V-Soft, United Healthcare, Humana, USI Insurance. We appreciate you investing in these critical ...
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    49 min
  • $60 Billion Hidden in Plain Sight: How Small Businesses Can Claim Thousands in Tax Credits

    $60 Billion Hidden in Plain Sight: How Small Businesses Can Claim Thousands in Tax Credits
    Sep 10 2026
    File 42: In this episode of the Workforce Therapy Files, hosts Jamie Swaim and Molley Ricketts sit down with Ben Reno-Weber, CEO and Founder of Essential Innovations, to explore how companies can unlock over $60 billion in underutilized federal tax credits and training incentives. Ben explains that while programs like the Work Opportunity Tax Credit (WOTC) can provide employers with up to $2,400 to $9,600 back per eligible hire, less than 1% of small businesses take advantage due to perceived, administrative friction. Essential Innovations removes this barrier by streamlining workflows to help employers hire and retain essential frontline workers, including veterans, individuals coming off SNAP, and those overcoming past convictions. Beyond hiring incentives, Ben emphasizes the need to solve root workforce barriers such as childcare subsidies, transportation, and long-term career upskilling pathways. When building his own team, he prioritizes curiosity, optimism, and durable skills over simple technical execution. Discussing artificial intelligence, Ben explains how technology itself is a commodity and that real innovation comes from using tools to eliminate human friction rather than replacing human relationships. Key Themes: · Unlocking $60+ Billion: The Hidden Tax Credits Small Businesses Leave Behind · Hiring for Curiosity: Building High-Performing Teams in an Era of Change · Workforce Pell Program: A New Program for Shorter-Term Trainings · Breaking Workforce Barriers: Childcare, Transportation, and Upskilling Pipelines · AI is a Commodity: Why Human-Centered Relationships Still Drive Real Value · Lessons from Microsoft: Data, Automation, and the Shift Toward Durable Skills · Conclusion Episode Transcript Molley Ricketts: Welcome back to this episode of Workforce Therapy Files. Jamie and I are super excited to have an incredible guest with us today. None other than Ben Reno-Weber. Jamie Swaim: Yay. Welcome, Ben. Molley Ricketts: He is the CEO and Founder of Essential Innovations. We are looking forward to this episode and can't wait to get into where you're at with all of the wonderful things and follow up from a previous interview. So I'm going to kick it over to Jamie so she can catch us up to speed on where we are. Jamie Swaim: Perfect. Hi, Ben. Ben Reno-Weber: Howdy. Jamie Swaim: Ben is typing, right? All right, Ben, before we go in and dive into all the amazing stuff that we know we can talk about with you, I'm going to ask you a random question that just gets our juices flowing. But the cool thing about this segment is that we all answer it. Ben Reno-Weber: Okay. Jamie Swaim: Okay. So I want you to imagine that you're stuck in an airport for six hours. Ben Reno-Weber: Okay. Jamie Swaim: Seems like it happens. Your phone is dead. You forgot your charger. Okay. So you cannot use your phone. Ben Reno-Weber: Sounds glorious. Jamie Swaim: So you've got your laptop. What is the non-work thing that you open first? Ben Reno-Weber: It's a non-work thing on my laptop. So, I have been using AI to make art, and so I've been playing around with a couple of different things where something that I'm feeling or something that I'm experiencing, trying to use interesting prompts to make that into fun images or videos. Jamie Swaim: Interesting. I really want to see some of these. Ben Reno-Weber: So that's probably what I would be doing if it were laptop bound. Jamie Swaim: Okay. Molley, what would yours? Molley Ricketts: That's a great question. Golly. Honestly, truly opening my computer, it would be one of the other interests of business that if it weren't Incipio, then it would be one of our other businesses that we have going on probably to check in on them and make sure that we've got notes. Because like we said on a couple of conversations that we've had in the past, there's never a dull moment when it comes to the things that Molley is doing. Jamie Swaim: It also sounds like Molley cannot answer the non-work side of the question. Oh, Molley Ricketts: That's probably. Ben Reno-Weber: So can I offer a though on this? Jamie Swaim: Yes, please. Ben Reno-Weber: I think we make this artificial distinction between work and life that when I talk to my friends who live in Asia, they're like, "That is the dumbest Western concept that exists and that's a statement." Your work is part of your life. Molley Ricketts: For sure. Ben Reno-Weber: And so I think the more interesting thing is does it cost you or does it build you? Molley Ricketts: I'm that writing down. Ben Reno-Weber: Molley, if something that. I love writing pieces for LinkedIn. It gives me joy. Is it work? If you were using an accounting perspective on it, sure. But from a holistic life perspective, no, it brings me joy. Molley Ricketts: I love that. Jamie Swaim: Okay, that's fair. Molley Ricketts: I think too, I have always leaned into ...
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    35 min
  • WTF is Back for the 2026 KYSHRM Conference!

    WTF is Back for the 2026 KYSHRM Conference!
    Sep 3 2026

    The Workforce Therapy Files team attended the 2026 Kentucky SHRM Conference, in Louisville. We took the opportunity to interview over 25 professionals who stopped by our booth.

    At the 2026 Kentucky SHRM Conference, the Workforce Therapy Files team is broadcasting live as the only podcast at the event. Hosts Jason Heflin (CEO of CrowdSouth), Jamie Swaim (HR Professional at Parcel), and Molley Ricketts (Head Honcho of Incipio Workforce Solutions) are inviting attendees to record quick sessions about the work they do and the problems they solve.

    This appearance marks the podcast's third year broadcasting from the Kentucky SHRM event. This is the group's 3rd consecutive KYSHRM conference.

    Because these live sessions are brief, the hosts remind guests that they can easily schedule longer, more in-depth interviews to elaborate on their ideas. Listeners who want to hear from specific professionals can also suggest future guests by reaching out via the contact details in the show notes. To make participation even easier, the podcast has recently adopted the ability to conduct interviews remotely via Zoom, or in person. The team closes by wishing everyone a great show and expressing their hope that these brief episodes prove helpful to the audience.

    Finally, be sure to watch or listen to each of this year's interviews at WorkforceTherapyFiles.com, and wherever you go for your favorite podcasts.

    That's where we'll leave the conversation for today. Before we close the file, we invite you to reach out to us with questions, suggestions or other comments. We'd love to hear from you. We hope you found this file insightful and helpful. Thank you for listening!

    Need Help Supporting Your Company's Recruiting and Staffing Goals?

    We're here to help. You can contact us via our individual websites, depending on your specific needs or questions:

    · Jamie Swaim, SPHR – www.ParcelKnows.com

    · Molley Ricketts – www.IncipioWorks.com

    · Jason Heflin – www.CrowdSouth.com
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    4 min
  • The Death of Paper Time Cards | How Agentic AI is Revolutionizing Construction Payroll

    The Death of Paper Time Cards | How Agentic AI is Revolutionizing Construction Payroll
    Aug 27 2026
    File 41: Jamie Swaim and Molley Ricketts sit down with Nigel Coelho, General Manager of Agentic Compliance at Lumber, to discuss how agentic AI is transforming workforce management and compliance in the construction industry. Lumber is a payroll and time-tracking platform purpose-built to handle complex construction rules, such as certified payroll and union reporting. Nigel leads Lumber's agentic AI features, including a "headless" Paper Time Card Agent that digitizes handwritten paper time cards using Google Gemini's multimodal capabilities. This tool meets workers where they are, seamlessly bridging the gap between paper records and digital back-office systems like ADP. The platform also utilizes geo-fencing and biometric facial scans to prevent buddy punching, optimize labor spend, and assist with real-time job costing. Additionally, Lumber's "funding agent" automatically identifies opportunities for tax credits and federal funding by tracking apprentice ratios and prevailing wage compliance. Ultimately, these tools relieve administrative stress so subcontractors can focus on their skilled trades. Core Chapter Themes: What is Lumber? Purpose-Built Software for Skilled Trades Meeting Workers Where They Are: The Paper Time Card Agent Biometrics & Geo-Fencing: Mitigating Compliance & Buddy Punching The Skilled Labor Shortage: Apprenticeships & Infrastructure Navigating Prevailing Wage & Unlocking Tax Credits with the "Funding Agent" The Environmental Cost of AI: Water, Energy, and Task-Specific Models Episode Transcript: Jamie Swaim: Hello friends, and welcome back to the Workforce Therapy Files. We're trying a video podcast approach again for this file, and we are joined by Nigel Coelho. Hi Nigel. Nigel Coelho: Hey, Jamie. Hey, Molley. Thanks for having me on. Really appreciate it. Jamie Swaim: We really appreciate it. Molley Ricketts: Thanks for coming on the show. Jamie Swaim: Absolutely. Nigel, one of the things that you may not know is that Molley and I have both founded companies that have worked with individuals in the construction industry. And you also work for a company that basically exists to support the construction industry, correct? Nigel Coelho: Correct. Exactly. And there's just so much opportunity in construction. It's crazy. Jamie Swaim: Yeah. So the company that you work for, tell us about. Nigel Coelho: Absolutely. So I'm the General Manager for Agentic Compliance at Lumber. Lumber is a workforce management solution. Specifically think of time tracking, payroll, onboarding, scheduling. You name it, we have it. It's purpose-built for the construction industry. And the reason is there's all these nuances for compliance that need to be taken into account, like unique payroll or certified payroll reporting. Nuances, you wouldn't take into account in any other vertical. And so the idea is if there was going to be a payroll module purpose built for this, why not have those compliance rules built in? And that's exactly what Lumber is. But what I lead is a lot of the specific activities that happen outside the payroll module, specifically around the labor of reading long documents, trying to get a lot of information out. Those are perfect use cases for agentic AI. And so how do we apply that and make people do their job faster? That's my job. Jamie Swaim: Well, typically we like to get to know you as well as the company that you work for. So we're going to pivot for a second and do today's random question. Okay? Molley Ricketts: Drum roll? Jamie Swaim: Sure. Wow. I don't know if I'm ever going to ask Molley to do another drum roll. Okay. So let's imagine that you were stranded on a job site and all you have is what's in your vehicle. What would be the most useless thing in your vehicle? And what would be the thing that you would thank "past you" for putting in your vehicle? Nigel Coelho: What was the second part, again? Jamie Swaim: The most useless thing in your vehicle. Like, this isn't going to help me. And then what's the thing that you'd be like, way to go "past me"! Way to think ahead. What's the thing that you'd be most excited that is in your vehicle? Nigel Coelho: For a job site, believe it or not, if you had, for example, your time tracking app, I think that's the thing you got to take on site, partly because the amount of compliance issues we run into where people aren't clocking overtime and tracking their time correctly and how it flows in a payroll and what they get wrong. Oh my God. It's just crazy. And people don't get paid. So if I was on the job site, I wouldn't get paid if I wasn't doing my time tracking correctly, literally. Jamie Swaim: I love that you took a random question and plugged your product. Nigel Coelho: No, I'm serious. Jamie Swaim: Yes. No, I'm proud of you right now, Nigel. Nigel Coelho: It could be that because on the back end, I just see how messy it is if somebody doesn't log their time correctly. So I'm like, put me at the ...
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    31 min
  • The New Era of Workforce Therapy Files: A Strategic Pivot for HR Leaders

    The New Era of Workforce Therapy Files: A Strategic Pivot for HR Leaders
    Aug 13 2026
    File 40: Jamie Swaim and Molley Ricketts announce a strategic pivot for the podcast as Jason Heflin steps back to focus on his agency, though the show will continue to provide "real talk" for HR professionals. A central theme of the episode is Jamie's shift from annual to monthly engagement surveys, which allows for "micro-movements" and real-time agility in responding to employee needs. This approach fosters anonymous, two-way dialogues that help leadership stay informed about the workforce's current mindset during town halls. Molley highlights the challenge of survey exhaustion but agrees that hearing from people, even if they are upset, is better than the silence of disengagement. The hosts also discuss the "three-legged stool" of organizational health, asserting that HR, Finance, and Operations must be equal partners at the leadership table. Molley emphasizes that a top-tier HR leader should be capable of assuming an interim CEO role because they understand the people, compliance, and operational direction. Furthermore, they explore the necessity of tailoring benefits to accommodate five different generations currently in the workforce. The duo looks forward to upcoming live events, including a recording at the Goodwill Opportunity Center on September 16th—which happens to be Jamie's birthday. Core Chapter Themes: · The Pivot: A New Season for Workforce Therapy Files · Agile Culture: Moving from Annual to Monthly Engagement Cycles · Anonymous Magic: Bridging the Communication Gap with Real-Time Data · Generational Gut-Check: Why "One Size Fits All" Benefits are Failing · Leading from the Seat: Why Your HR Leader Should Be CEO-Ready Episode Transcript: Molley Ricketts: Welcome to this episode of Workforce Therapy Files. Jamie and I are excited, disappointed, but looking forward to what it is that we're going to be able to do together. And we have some news for everybody. So, I am not great at drum roll as I've been told, so we're going to mentally think of drum roll, please. Jamie Swaim: Done. Molley Ricketts: Got it. What do you got for us, Jamie? Where are we headed? Jamie Swaim: So excited that we didn't try to generate a drum roll. Molley Ricketts: Do that. Yeah. The Pivot: A New Era for Workforce Therapy Files Jamie Swaim: Well, if we were to go back to the beginning of Workforce Therapy Files, it started when Jason, Molley, and I sat in a room and identified that our three companies were really targeting the same type of partnerships with companies. We were trying to find places where we could be long-term partners, solving problems to help companies thrive. And we were all approaching it from different angles, and we realized there wasn't any competition. If anything, there was a lot of complement in how we work together. So it started as projects that we would co-op for clients. And then we were like, "We should really let people hear the way that this conversation goes because we just enjoyed each other's company so dang much." And that still is true today, but we are making a pivot because of a number of different reasons. But ultimately, Jason will be devoting his time and energy to continuing to grow the amazing services that CrowdSouth provides to its clients. And Molley and I will continue to produce Workforce Therapy Files with the help of none other than Jim Ray. And we are going to highlight things that are still happening in our space. It is a little bit easier for Molley and I to get together because we live in the same community and have an opportunity to do that. But we are also using this type of approach more because Jim added white couches. And so now we are going to be virtual, because I don't think he trusts me to sit on a white couch. And I don't blame him if I'm honest. I don't blame him. Molley Ricketts: Well, when I get on a couch, typically I like to get comfy-cozy, get a little snuggle blanket, watch a good movie. So we want to make sure that we're focused and really generating those right questions to ask our guests. Jamie Swaim: Absolutely. Jamie Swaim: So, our hope is that Jason will continue to come back, from time to time, because I know that our listeners have really appreciated the way that our trio has chatted. But Molley and I believe that with the continued focus on having great interviewees for us to talk to and people who are out here blazing their own trail, we'll continue to have that kind of content. And we also have a couple of opportunities where we will be in person. Molley Ricketts: That's right. So a few things that we're going to be able to do in person. One coming up in particular is the SHRM Kentucky Conference that's going to be held at the Galt House in Louisville, Kentucky. We'll have our booth set up for guests to come and chat with us about who they are, where they are, and the topic of the year. What is really impacting workforce and the ...
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    30 min
  • AI Change Management: A Practical Guide for Modern Organizations

    AI Change Management: A Practical Guide for Modern Organizations
    Jun 8 2026
    File 39: In this file of Workforce Therapy Files, the hosts sit down with Jenna Ahern, founder of Guardian Owl Digital, to discuss the rapid impact of artificial intelligence on business, leadership, and the future of work. They explore why organizations need intentional AI policies, stronger data governance, and ongoing employee training as AI becomes more integrated into daily operations. Jenna emphasizes that leaders must approach AI as a change-management challenge rather than simply a technology initiative. The group stresses the importance of creating learning environments where employees can safely experiment and build competency. Jenna also shares lessons from her entrepreneurial journey, including the importance of betting on yourself and recognizing that hustle alone does not scale a business. The file encourages leaders to embrace continuous learning and proactively guide their organizations through a rapidly evolving landscape. Key Themes · Meet Jenna Ahern · Entrepreneurship, Resilience and Betting on Yourself · AI is a Leadership Challenge, not Just a Technology Challenge · Why Every Organization Needs an AI Policy · Building AI Skills through Practice and Continuous Learning Episode Transcript Molley Ricketts: Welcome back to the Workforce Therapy Files. We are here today with an amazing guest, Mrs. Jenna Ahern. How are you doing today? Jenna Ahern: Hi, I'm so grateful to be here. Thank you all for having me. Molley Ricketts: Jenna is here with us today. She owns Guardian Owl Digital Agency. Look at me. I remembered. I usually just say Guardian Owl. So, the digital agency is the new part for me. We are excited to have you on the show today. Before we kick off though, Jamie has to ask one of her very unique questions. Drum roll. Jamie Swaim: But today we're going to do something a smidge different. Molley Ricketts: Uh-oh. Jamie Swaim: Because I like to keep it spicy. Okay. Jenna Ahern: Same. Jamie Swaim: Choose between door number one or door number two. Jenna Ahern: Two. Jamie Swaim: Okay, number two, tell us something that you think is ridiculously overrated. Jenna Ahern: Ridiculously overrated? Jason Heflin: Podcasts. Jenna Ahern: Podcasts. I know that's a really good one. I think right now and relevant to this, what's really, really overrated is Sintra.AI. Call it out. Jamie Swaim: Why? Jenna Ahern: Because I think that it has a lot of hype and they have a lot of marketing and they're doing a decent job. But I think that that to me is a very much hyped-up AI tool, just like a lot of the AI tools are. And so I wanted to say AI is overhyped, but I can't say that because it's not. It's real. It's serious. It is definitely here. I'm like, some of the tools are, so I went Sintra. Jamie Swaim: Okay. Jenna Ahern: That's how my brain operated on that question. Jamie Swaim: Alright. Jenna Ahern: Do you want a personal overrated? Jamie Swaim: Sure. You can do it however you want. Jenna Ahern: I don't have one. I need like a cross. Jamie Swaim: You can also point to anybody else here and ask them to popcorn it. Jenna Ahern: Oh, I know those Stanley cups. I think those are overrated. Jamie Swaim: They spill way too easily. Jenna Ahern: I don't have one. I never bought one. I think those are overrated. Jamie Swaim: Tell me, you don't have a teenager at home without telling me you have a teenager. Jenna Ahern: Exactly. I'm like, that's ridiculous. Jamie Swaim: Absolutely. Jenna Ahern: There you go. That's overrated. I probably had made a lot of people angry right there. Jason Heflin: So, what's underrated right now? How about that? Jenna Ahern: Water. Jason Heflin: Water. Jenna Ahern: I think we should be talking more about water and sustainability and ethics. AI is new, sure, but virtues and our environment hasn't really changed. There's still water around hopefully. Jamie Swaim: Yeah. Lots of question marks there though. Jenna Ahern: Yeah. Jamie Swaim: Yeah. Jenna Ahern: But that's underrated right now. Clean drinking water. Jamie Swaim: Jason, what's overrated for you? Jason Heflin: What's overrated? The McRib. Jamie Swaim: The McRib? Yeah. Jenna Ahern: Overrated or underrated? Jason Heflin: I think it's overrated. I mean, you know. Jenna Ahern: Have you last sampled? Jason Heflin: Oh, it's been years. I don't know. Jim said it. Jim said it. So I'm stealing Jim's answer. Jenna Ahern: Well, I heard they had a reckoning. That's why I was like, oh wow. Jason Heflin: Oh yeah. No, I don't know. Jamie Swaim: Alright. Molley, what do you think? Molley Ricketts: Yeah, and I knew this was coming around and I still can't think of anything. Jenna Ahern: I gave you like three minutes. Molley Ricketts: You did. Jamie Swaim: Want me to go first? Okay, it gives you a little bit more time though. You need to be thinking. Okay. For me, socks. Molley Ricketts: Oh, that's a good one. Jamie ...
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    38 min