In our first episode, we talked about how we spent more than 25 years running in parallel circles without ever actually meeting. But we skipped one pretty important part of the story. Who are we, and how did we get here.

This week, we're going back to the beginning.

Lisa shares her journey from college to working in Europe, building a marketing office, and eventually establishing her own marketing agency. Amy talks about her path through the television industry, from her early days in broadcasting to leading television stations and building media operations.

Along the way, we talk about the opportunities we took, the decisions that shaped our careers, and the experiences that brought us to where we are today.

Our careers may have taken different directions, but we discovered that many of the lessons and experiences were surprisingly similar.

Before we get too far into The Long Game, we thought you should know a little more about the two people behind the microphones.

• (00:00:00) - Intro and welcome back
• (00:00:37) - Podcast launch recap and where to listen
• (00:02:01) - Lisa's early career: teaching dream to publishing
• (00:04:01) - Lisa's move to Amsterdam and life abroad
• (00:05:29) - Building payment systems and move to New Hampshire/TV Guide
• (00:06:53) - Starting her own company after 9/11
• (00:08:06) - Landing first clients and launching the business
• (00:09:51) - Growth into social media and AI marketing
• (00:11:38) - How Lisa and Amy met
• (00:12:28) - Finding real friendship among women
• (00:12:48) - Amy's college years and changing majors
• (00:14:29) - Mission trip to Africa and discovering journalism
• (00:15:46) - Starting in broadcast news
• (00:16:26) - First day mishaps and loving the newsroom
• (00:17:29) - Oklahoma City bombing coverage and career growth
• (00:18:05) - Working with Oral Roberts and TV Guide production
• (00:19:21) - Launching a national Christian network
• (00:19:53) - Running Channel 2 and rebuilding News Oklahoma
• (00:20:42) - Getting fired and the Oklahoma City commute
• (00:22:08) - New opportunity with weather network and meeting Lisa
• (00:23:03) - Reflecting on parallel careers and shared lessons
• (00:23:54) - Discovering they worked at TV Guide together
• (00:25:20) - Work ethic, business philosophy, and encouragement
• (00:26:33) - Encouraging women to pursue their ambitions
• (00:27:58) - Owning strength and labels as women leaders
• (00:28:54) - Clients as friends and building real relationships
• (00:30:30) - Closing thoughts, invitations, and sign-off