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  • From Weekly Resignations to Zero Turnover: A Case Study in Team Transformation
    Aug 6 2025
    This week on Revenue Rehab, Brandi Starr is joined by Lorraine Ball, an accomplished entrepreneur and marketing leader. Together, they break down how Lorraine transformed a marketing department plagued by constant resignations and instability into a high-performing, fully retained team. They discuss Lorraine's decisive strategies, including team realignment, personalized work scheduling, and proactive leadership that delivered measurable savings and capacity gains. If you're looking for actionable ways to create aligned, resilient revenue teams, this episode is for you. Revenue leaders who've been in the trenches share how they tackled real challenges—what worked, what didn't, and what you can apply to your own strategy. These episodes go beyond theory, breaking down real-world implementation stories with concrete examples, step-by-step insights, and measurable outcomes. Bullet Points of Key Topics + Chapter Markers: Topic #1: Diagnosing and Addressing Team Turnover Crisis [03:40] Lorraine Ball shares how she inherited a department where "one person a week at least was quitting," creating massive instability and high recruiting costs. She quickly identified the root cause as a culture treating employees as interchangeable parts. Lorraine's first step was to get to know individual team members and match roles to their strengths, directly tackling the source of ongoing resignations. Topic #2: Implementing Flexible Work Structures for Creatives [09:29] Recognizing that rigid schedules were a poor fit for her creative team, Lorraine sat down with groups and asked, "If you could set your working hours… tell me what works for you." By introducing customized schedules based on team input, she increased productivity and morale while extending team coverage. Within 12 weeks, this shift played a decisive role in eliminating turnover and stabilizing departmental output. Topic #3: Achieving Tangible Financial and Operational Gains [20:17] Lorraine outlines clear metrics from her changes, noting, "We were probably spending about $10,000 a month on recruiting fees. So right off the bat, we were saving $100,000." She further highlights how retention enabled the team to reduce marketing backorders from 300 to zero and freed up capacity to find new revenue opportunities, connecting people-focused change with direct business results. Key Learning or Action Item If you had it to do all over again, what's one thing you'd do differently? Lorraine said she would have involved her senior team leaders more in the beginning instead of tackling everything on her own. By engaging them earlier, she believes they could have solved problems and moved through challenges faster. The Big Win By rebuilding team structure and culture, Lorraine Ball reduced marketing department turnover from 100 percent annually to zero for 18 months, saving over $100K in recruiting costs and creating a team so efficient they had surplus capacity. Links: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/lorraineball/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/themtfwpodcast/ Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/MTFWpodcast/ YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@MTFWPodcast Amazon: https://www.amazon.com/stores/Lorraine-Ball/author/B0C1J55B3H Website: https://morethanafewwords.com/ Subscribe, listen, and rate/review Revenue Rehab Podcast on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Google Podcasts , Amazon Music, or iHeart Radio and find more episodes on our website RevenueRehab.live.
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    27 min
  • The CMO Role Should Be Replaced By CRO. #ChangeMyMind
    Jul 30 2025
    This week on Revenue Rehab, Brandi Starr is joined by Alan Gold and Paul Peterson, seasoned fractional CMOs who believe fractured C-suite ownership of revenue is costing your company millions, and they're here to prove it. In this episode, they challenge the widespread idea that multiple executives should own revenue, instead making the case that a single CRO needs to drive accountability, alignment, and results. Gold and Peterson uncover the hidden costs of scattered leadership and reveal why true revenue growth depends on unified strategy, clear lines of ownership, and business-wide metrics. Are they right, or will you challenge their thinking? Dive in and join the debate. Episode Type: Problem Solving - Industry analysts, consultants, and founders take a bold stance on critical revenue challenges, offering insights you won't hear anywhere else. These episodes explore common industry challenges and potential solutions through expert insights and varied perspectives. Bullet Points of Key Topics + Chapter Markers: Topic #1: Splitting Revenue Leadership Creates Chaos, Not Accountability [02:28] Alan Gold argues that dividing revenue responsibility among multiple C-suite leaders leads to dysfunction and wasted budget. He states, "If everyone's in charge, no one's in charge. Period. End," urging companies to consolidate revenue ownership under a single accountable leader. This challenges the widespread belief that shared responsibility drives alignment and highlights the risk of finger-pointing and lack of true accountability. Topic #2: One Revenue Number Alone Does Not Unite the Team [06:25] Alan Gold dismisses the idea that giving multiple executives the same revenue goal will align efforts, describing it as "a lot of BS." He explains that shared metrics do not guarantee unified strategy or execution, insisting that only a single leader, ideally a CRO with broad strategic skills, can effectively drive the revenue engine. This perspective pushes revenue leaders to look beyond revops and metrics, focusing instead on organizational design and true accountability. Topic #3: C-Level Career Progression Requires Broader Business Acumen [18:33] Paul Peterson addresses the career fears that drive resistance to a single revenue leader, emphasizing that C-suite advancement requires understanding the entire business, not just one function. He explains that to be qualified as CRO, leaders must "actually get good at what my counterpart is doing," echoing the CEO role as a business integrator rather than a functional expert. This challenges conventional thinking around executive career paths and motivates marketing and sales leaders to develop broader skills if they aspire to top revenue roles. The Most Damaging Myth The Myth: "If we give each leader the same metrics to be accountable for, so instead of sending everybody in all these different directions, if we still have one number but multiple people, it accomplishes the same thing." (Alan Gold) Why It's Wrong: Alan Gold explains that this belief actually complicates things further and fails to deliver true alignment. Even with a single shared metric, multiple leaders will continue to pull in their own directions based on their functional backgrounds, resulting in silos, duplicated efforts, and ongoing finger-pointing. Ultimately, this diffusion of responsibility means no one is truly accountable for revenue outcomes. What Companies Should Do Instead: Appoint one leader, such as a strategically-oriented CRO, to oversee the entire revenue process. This creates clear accountability, streamlines decision making, and ensures all teams work in harmony toward unified revenue goals. The Rapid-Fire Round What is the first sign that a company is facing a C suite being too big problem, but hasn't really named it yet? "If the CEO can't get a straight answer to what the future looks like and what the revenue stream is for the next quarter. Create unified visibility into your revenue forecast." – Alan GoldWhat's one mindset shift that unlocks progress? "It's the mindset of strategic delegation. Clarify who owns what, and make sure someone is accountable for connecting the dots. Marketing, sales, revenue, customer service. They all have to work together. The real shift is realizing they can't function independently. One person has to own the alignment." – Paul PetersonWhat's the most common mistake people make when trying to fix this? "Just following what you've always done before, instead of stepping back to question whether the current structure and people are right for today's market." – Alan GoldWhat's the most underrated move that actually works to fix this fast? "Go back to the data: analyze your sales process from prospect to closed revenue, review key metrics like close rate and cost per lead, and make sure someone is asking these questions every day." – Paul Peterson Links: Alan Gold ...
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    35 min
  • Outbound Sales Success Requires Complicated Systems. #ChangeMyMind
    Jul 23 2025
    This week on Revenue Rehab, Brandi Starr is joined by Gabe Lullo, a sales and recruiting expert, and Rolly Keenan, CRO of Tegrita and seasoned revenue leader, who argue that outbound sales is failing not because of lazy reps, but because it's become far too complex for its own good. They challenge the conventional wisdom that ever-growing tools and metrics drive results, insisting that simplifying outbound and prioritizing authentic, intentional outreach is the only way forward. With real-world examples and sharp industry insight, Lullo and Keenan explain why revenue leaders must break away from complexity before it undermines growth. Will you rethink your outbound strategy or defend the old playbook? Episode Type: Problem Solving - Industry analysts, consultants, and founders take a bold stance on critical revenue challenges, offering insights you won't hear anywhere else. These episodes explore common industry challenges and potential solutions through expert insights and varied perspectives. Bullet Points of Key Topics + Chapter Markers: Topic #1: Matching Buyer Complexity With Sales Simplicity [04:50] Gabe Lullo challenges the belief that complex B2B buying journeys require complex sales processes. He argues that success comes from a multi-threaded, highly intentional approach rather than disconnected, over-engineered outbound systems. Lullo states, "Working on it very strategically… so those three departments are communicating correctly to talk to the right people at the right time," pushing revenue leaders to simplify and sync their sales, SDR, and marketing efforts for real impact. Topic #2: Why High-Volume Outreach Is Just Spam, Not Strategy [13:10] Gabe Lullo argues that most outbound activity today is indistinguishable from spam, citing mass emailing and indiscriminate dialing as ineffective. He asserts, "Intentional outbound is what I think is really what is important. Authentic outbound is what I think is important," reframing high-volume outreach as harmful rather than strategic. Rolly Keenan agrees and emphasizes the need to target the right prospects instead of treating outreach as a numbers game. Topic #3: Technology Alone Won't Fix Outbound [21:40] Gabe Lullo pushes back on the reliance on technology and AI as quick fixes for outbound challenges, warning, "If you can use AI to just spam more, I don't think that's an effective way of implementing the technology." He urges revenue leaders to use tech for preparation, research, and training rather than simply increasing activity. Rolly Keenan echoes this caution, reminding leaders to be thoughtful about whether their tools are genuinely helping SDRs connect in meaningful ways. The Wrong Approach vs. Smarter Alternative The Wrong Approach: "Trying to throw money at it. To Rolly's point, they're just trying to throw money at the problem to fix it." – Gabe Lullo Why It Fails: Simply investing more resources or buying additional tools doesn't address the root cause of outbound motion issues. This approach often compounds complexity, increases inefficiency, and ignores the need for intentional strategy or meaningful conversations. It masks the real issues, making it harder for teams to achieve authentic engagement and sustainable revenue growth. The Smarter Alternative: Instead of indiscriminately upping the spend or tech stack, leaders should focus on listening to what their competitors and the market are actually doing, rather than chasing analyst-driven trends. Prioritize intentional, authentic outreach and ensure your team is aligned and prepared to have relevant, high-value conversations that move deals forward. The Rapid-Fire Round Finish this sentence: If your company has this problem, the first thing you should do is _ "Measure whether your connection rates and the quality of conversations are meaningfully tracked. If not, fix that first." – Gabe LulloWhat's one red flag that signals a company has this problem—but might not realize it yet? "If your team isn't having meaningful conversations—and isn't tracking them authentically—issues will show up later in the funnel."What's the most common mistake people make when trying to fix this? "Throwing money at the problem—more tech, more bodies—without actually addressing the core issue."What's the fastest action someone can take today to make progress? "Actively listen to what your competitors and the market are actually doing, instead of just following analyst advice and trends." Links: Gabe Lullo LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/lullo/ Podcast: https://open.spotify.com/show/7c5IlZshEVZrJtY5QtQGF3 Website: https://alleyoop.io/ Links: Rolly LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/rollykeenan/ Subscribe, listen, and rate/review Revenue Rehab Podcast on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Google Podcasts , Amazon Music, or iHeart Radio and find more episodes on our website...
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    39 min
  • Download Numbers Don't Matter #ChangeMyMind
    Jul 16 2025
    This week on Revenue Rehab, Brandi Starr is joined by Jonas Woost, media entrepreneur and co-founder of Bumper. He believes that "more downloads do NOT equal more business value" and is ready to prove it. In this episode, Jonas challenges the industry's obsession with podcast download numbers, making the case that B2B revenue leaders should focus on true listener engagement and quality of audience over vanity metrics. From dismantling outdated measurement practices to revealing actionable strategies for aligning your podcast with business outcomes, Jonas urges CMOs and CROs to rethink how they evaluate and leverage audio content before wasted efforts drain ROI. Will you stick to conventional wisdom, or does Jonas have it right? Join the debate! Episode Type: Problem Solving - Industry analysts, consultants, and founders take a bold stance on critical revenue challenges, offering insights you won't hear anywhere else. These episodes explore common industry challenges and potential solutions through expert insights and varied perspectives. Bullet Points of Key Topics + Chapter Markers: Topic #1: "More Downloads" Do Not Equal Business Value [02:07] Jonas Woost directly challenges the conventional wisdom that higher download numbers automatically translate to more value for B2B podcasts. He argues, "The download is actually very, very poor way to measure podcast success because a download means basically nothing. A download is not a listen." Brandi acknowledges how entrenched this mindset is among marketers, sparking a debate on what metrics really matter for revenue leaders. Topic #2: Measuring Podcast Consumption, Not Just Reach [10:14] Jonas reframes success metrics for B2B podcasts, insisting that podcasting is not a "reach medium" but an "amazing engagement medium." He urges CMOs and CROs to focus on deep audience engagement—"how long did they stick around"—rather than chasing vanity metrics like total downloads. Brandi explores how this approach impacts real editorial decisions, making the case for aligning podcast topics more tightly with business outcomes. Topic #3: Data-Driven Podcast Decision-Making—But Don't Forget Your Mission [19:10] Jonas outlines a bold, data-first approach to evolving podcast strategy, advocating for constant, insight-driven pivots in content, marketing, and business objectives. However, he warns revenue leaders not to let data be the only driver: "If we only do stuff based on data and sort of chase the best number...it doesn't lead to great storytelling." The discussion centers on how to balance hard metrics with purpose-driven episodes—even when certain topics (like climate or DE&I) don't deliver the highest completion rates. The Wrong Approach vs. Smarter Alternative The Wrong Approach: "The first thing that most people get wrong is that they don't actually know what they want to measure. This is the first step. What do you actually want? No one wants downloads. No one wants a number. People want business results, especially your audience, B2B podcasters. They want some sort of result. At the end of the day, we need to start there with result. What do you want? This is about reputation. This is about lead generation. This is about whatever. And then go backwards from there. As opposed to starting with like we want downloads in order to maybe have something else in the past." – Jonas Woost Why It Fails: Measuring podcast success by downloads alone is fundamentally flawed because downloads do not equate to real engagement or business impact. Companies often default to chasing higher download numbers rather than focusing on the outcomes that actually matter, like genuine audience consumption, influence on reputation, or contribution to lead generation. This results in misaligned investments and missed opportunities to connect with the right audience. The Smarter Alternative: Companies should start by clarifying the real business result they want from their podcast—whether that's reputation building, lead generation, or something else—and then work backwards to design their measurement approach. Instead of defaulting to download counts, focus on actual listener engagement and platform-specific consumption metrics that align with your strategic objectives. The Most Damaging Myth The Myth: "More downloads always equal more business value for a B2B podcast." – Jonas Woost Why It's Wrong: Jonas explains that downloads are a poor way to measure podcast success because a download is not a listen, nor does it indicate actual engagement. Most downloads don't translate to real audience interaction, and chasing bigger numbers often distracts companies from connecting with their true target audience—especially for B2B marketers with niche offerings. What Companies Should Do Instead: Focus on measuring real consumption and engagement across listening platforms like Spotify, Apple, and YouTube. ...
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    36 min
  • AI Isn't Fixing Workplace Burnout, It's Actually Making It Worse For Women Leaders.
    Jul 9 2025
    This week on Revenue Rehab, Brandi Starr is joined by Dr. Julie Donley, a leadership expert and workplace stress researcher with nearly 30 years of experience, who believes AI isn't easing the burden for leaders—it's fueling burnout and quietly setting revenue teams up to fail. In this episode, Dr. Donley challenges the widespread assumption that AI will reduce stress and drive productivity, arguing that it's actually amplifying demands and leaving leaders grappling with even greater emotional labor. Drawing on research and real-world insights, she reveals why ignoring the human impact of AI could undermine both team well-being and revenue growth. Are you ready to rethink how you lead in the AI era—or will you push back on Dr. Donley's bold stance? Episode Type: Problem Solving - Industry analysts, consultants, and founders take a bold stance on critical revenue challenges, offering insights you won't hear anywhere else. These episodes explore common industry challenges and potential solutions through expert insights and varied perspectives. Bullet Points of Key Topics + Chapter Markers: Topic #1: AI Is Increasing Burnout, Not Reducing It [04:26] Dr. Julie Donely confronts the widespread assumption that AI lightens leaders' loads, arguing, "AI is raising expectations, accelerating demands, and leaving the emotional labor, the real human work, squarely on their shoulders." She details how adapting to AI is layered atop existing responsibilities, especially for women leaders, causing heightened stress and faster burnout. Brandi Starr highlights areas where AI can help, but Donely maintains that managing AI's impact multiplies—not subtracts from—the human workload. Topic #2: Lack of AI Guardrails Accelerates Workplace Risk [15:44] Dr. Donely challenges the "just start using AI" mentality prevalent in many organizations, warning that without clear policies, boundaries, and training, leaders risk confusion, misuse, and legal exposure. "If you don't have guardrails, people could be using it for any number of things… they're gonna have problems." The debate centers on whether orgs can realistically build effective frameworks fast enough to keep up with AI's pace, with Brandi questioning business' ability to set rules without stifling innovation. Topic #3: The Hidden Cost of Emotional Labor in Leadership [14:09] Dr. Donely spotlights the overlooked burden of "emotional labor" as leaders navigate AI-driven change—managing team fears, conflict, and constant adaptation. She argues this work is "just exhausting by the end of the day" and asserts that organizations consistently undervalue it, even as AI transforms technical workflows. Revenue leaders are challenged to acknowledge and plan for this persistent human toll, which will not go away with increased automation: "We dismiss emotional labor as not being important. It's huge. And it's not going away with AI." The Wrong Approach vs. Smarter Alternative The Wrong Approach: "Well, I think the wrong way to integrate AI is to tell people, use AI, not give them any. They need training, they need boundaries, they need policies and procedures. When can I use AI? What can I use it for, what can I not use it for? And then train them." – Dr. Julie Donley Why It Fails: Simply directing employees to use AI without guidance leads to confusion, anxiety, and inconsistency. Without established guardrails, training, or a support system, teams may misuse AI tools, increase stress, and expose the company to risks, making it difficult to integrate AI productively and safely within organizational workflows. The Smarter Alternative: Companies should establish clear guardrails, policies, and training around AI adoption. Leaders must set expectations, provide structured support, and create safe spaces for employees to ask questions and learn. By doing so, organizations empower their teams to use AI effectively and responsibly, optimizing both productivity and well-being. The Most Damaging Myth The Myth: "I think it's that it's going to replace us, that AI is going to do away with our jobs and it's more effective than, I mean, people have to use AI to be able to produce results. And so it's going to change how things work, but it's not going to replace humans." – Dr. Julie Donely Why It's Wrong: The fear that AI will eliminate the need for human workers causes anxiety, resistance, and a reluctance to engage with new technology. As Dr. Donely points out, this belief overlooks the critical human skills—like emotional labor, team dynamics, and workplace politics—that AI cannot replicate or replace. Holding on to this myth leads to missed opportunities for partnership and support between people and technology. What Companies Should Do Instead: Leaders should focus on how AI can be leveraged as a tool to support human roles, not replace them. Encourage teams to explore how AI can assist in their ...
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    34 min
  • Excluding People Isn't a Creative Choice. It's a Strategic Mistake.
    Jun 25 2025
    This week on Revenue Rehab, Brandi Starr is joined by Maxwell Ivey, internationally known as the Blind Blogger and an expert in accessibility education, who believes "Accessibility isn't charity—it's untapped market access," and he's ready to prove it. In this episode, Maxwell dismantles the common industry belief that accessibility is a mere "nice-to-have," arguing that overlooking people with disabilities is a costly, strategic mistake that hands revenue directly to competitors. Drawing on data, buyer journey insights, and firsthand stories, he exposes how accessible marketing drives greater loyalty, expands market reach, and can directly boost revenue for B2B leaders. Will Maxwell's bold challenge reshape your approach to inclusion—or do you still think accessibility is optional? Join the debate! Episode Type Problem Solving: Industry analysts, consultants, and founders take a bold stance on critical revenue challenges, offering insights you won't hear anywhere else. These episodes explore common industry challenges and potential solutions through expert insights and varied perspectives. Bullet Points of Key Topics + Chapter Markers: Topic #1: "Inclusivity" Is Just Empty Jargon [02:45] Maxwell Ivey boldly claims that the word "inclusive" is an overused, misleading buzzword that allows companies to feel good without doing the work of true accessibility. He states, "It allows a lot of people to feel like they are doing the right thing…without actually taking action," directly challenging revenue leaders to move beyond declarations and toward measurable accessibility changes. Brandi Starr agrees that the term is often empty, setting the stage for a debate on what genuine inclusivity should look like in B2B marketing and customer experience. Topic #2: Accessibility Isn't Charity, It's a Market Advantage [04:29] Ivey confronts the myth that accessibility is just altruism or only benefits a niche group, arguing, "Accessibility isn't charity, it's market access." He emphasizes the significant, loyal purchasing power of people with disabilities—estimated at $3.5-4 trillion annually—and reveals that inaccessible marketing directly costs businesses revenue, saying, "you are walking away from revenue and your competitors are happy to pick it up." This challenges conventional thinking by reframing accessibility as a core business growth lever, not a compliance box to check. Topic #3: Accessibility Enhancements Benefit All Buyers [06:09] Ivey dismantles the belief that accessibility improvements are only for the disabled, stressing that accessible design actually improves user experience for everyone—including those browsing in poor lighting, on mobile devices, or with age-related challenges. Concrete tactics like simplifying website navigation, keyboard-first design, and minimizing distractions are highlighted as universally beneficial. He argues, "A lot of things that you will do to improve accessibility will improve the user experience of all your other customers who don't have a disability," pushing revenue leaders to rethink accessibility as a competitive differentiator rather than a narrow accommodation. The Wrong Approach vs. Smarter Alternative The Wrong Approach: "I think I'd like to get rid of the word inclusive because it's such a vague word, it doesn't really get to the heart of the matter. It allows a lot of people to feel like they are doing the right thing for their business or for people with disabilities without actually taking action, without really empathizing with the needs of this huge market of highly loyal consumers. And it allows them just to avoid the hard conversations, to avoid the time and effort. Although it isn't really a lot of time and effort in most people's cases. But by saying that they're inclusive, it allows them to feel good about themselves, but it doesn't necessarily mean that they've done the work." – Maxwell Ivey Why It Fails: Using "inclusive" as a buzzword lets companies check a box without making real changes. This superficial approach fails to address the specific needs of people with disabilities, meaning businesses miss out on both a substantial market opportunity and true accessibility. Ultimately, it leads to lost revenue and leaves the door open for competitors who genuinely address accessibility. The Smarter Alternative: Companies should move beyond vague commitments and take concrete, tactical actions to improve accessibility. Maxwell recommends focusing on simplifying user journeys, prioritizing keyboard navigation, and designing with a minimalist, distraction-free mindset. These measures not only support people with disabilities but also improve usability and satisfaction for all customers, driving better business outcomes. The Most Damaging Myth The Myth: "I don't have customers who with disabilities or if I have them, they do not have the funds to buy from me. And the other is that when ...
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    35 min
  • Revenue Starts with Brand. Brand is Marketing + HR.
    Jun 18 2025
    This week on Revenue Rehab, Brandi Starr is joined by Sherry Grote, creator of the Harmony Hero framework and a B2B marketing leader with 25+ years transforming brands and driving revenue. Sherry believes marketing and HR hold untapped power as revenue accelerators—but only if their voices are amplified beyond traditional roles and given real influence in the boardroom. Challenging the status quo that sidelines these functions, Sherry argues that true revenue growth hinges on aligning people, brand, and culture—not just products and pipelines. If you're ready to rethink where brand power really drives the bottom line, tune in—and decide if Sherry's perspective changes your mind. Episode Type: Problem Solving - Industry analysts, consultants, and founders take a bold stance on critical revenue challenges, offering insights you won't hear anywhere else. These episodes explore common industry challenges and potential solutions through expert insights and varied perspectives. Bullet Points of Key Topics + Chapter Markers: Topic #1: Marketing & HR—The Undervalued Revenue Drivers [04:44] Sherry Grote boldly argues that marketing and HR are essential drivers of revenue and brand but are consistently marginalized in executive decision-making. She challenges the conventional belief that marketing is a "faucet you can just turn on" and spotlights how HR's influence on culture is chronically overlooked—particularly damaging "in an artificial everything world." Brandi Starr echoes the misalignment, noting most companies pigeonhole this partnership as "marketing giving HR tchotchkes," prompting a debate on the true strategic potential of these functions when united. Topic #2: Boardroom Influence—Turning Up the Volume on Brand Voices [07:14] Sherry argues that the boardroom routinely sidelines marketing and HR, relegating them to after-thought status in favor of sales, finance, and product updates. "HR, we really don't have time for you to talk, so just put your slide in there and we'll just make sure that the board has that." She proposes a radical change: marketing and HR should proactively demonstrate their impact on revenue, culture, and pipeline to win advocates among CFOs, CROs, and CPOs—shifting from self-promotion to integrated business influence. Topic #3: Rethinking Compensation and Collaboration for Revenue Alignment [17:50] Sherry challenges revenue leaders to recognize compensation misalignment as a core driver of inefficiency and discord between marketing, sales, and HR. She critiques the "rip and replace" approach to CMOs, tying it to systemic incentive problems: "It's often the head of marketing that really sees this breakdown and challenge and having that real relationship with HR could be an opportunity to help to influence that." Brandi pushes for actionable solutions, leading to a discussion about moving BDRs into marketing and partnering with HR to overhaul incentive structures for true revenue team alignment. The Wrong Approach vs. Smarter Alternative The Wrong Approach: "A leader before they've had a time to actually make an impact in the business." – Sherry Grote Why It Fails: Swapping out marketing or HR leaders too quickly disrupts momentum and undermines strategic initiatives before they can take hold. This short-sighted turnover prevents teams from making the incremental changes necessary for lasting impact and damages organizational culture and continuity. The Smarter Alternative: Instead of jumping to leadership changes, companies should focus on building strong alignment and rapport between sales, marketing, and HR, giving leaders the space and support needed to drive meaningful, long-term business results. The Most Damaging Myth The Myth: "Marketing is a faucet that you can just turn on and you will get instant results." – Sherry Grote Why It's Wrong: This belief leads organizations to expect immediate impact from marketing efforts, creating unrealistic timelines and frustration when quick results don't materialize. As Sherry explains, marketing is actually more like a well that requires consistent pumping—building effective campaigns takes time, ongoing effort, and a systems approach. When companies operate under the "faucet" myth, they make disruptive changes or swap out talent prematurely, undermining long-term progress and ROI. What Companies Should Do Instead: Treat marketing as an engine that needs sustained investment and incremental improvement. Allow marketing leaders time to build momentum, focus on developing processes, and foster strong cross-departmental relationships—especially with HR—to build a people-first culture that supports brand and revenue growth. The Rapid-Fire Round Finish this sentence: If your company has this problem, the first thing you should do is _ "Ensure that you have built rapport with sales, marketing and HR to be in total alignment." – Sherry Grote...
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    29 min
  • AI Search Isn't 'Coming' — It's Already Rewriting the Way Buyers Find You
    Jun 11 2025
    This week on Revenue Rehab, Brandi Starr is joined by Michael Buckbee, founder of Knowatoa and AI-driven search marketing expert, who believes most marketers are missing out on revenue by ignoring how their brands appear in AI search tools—and he's ready to prove it. In this episode, Buckbee challenges the industry's Google-first mindset and argues that AI platforms like ChatGPT and Gemini are now the key gateways to buyers, demanding a radical rethink of content and SEO strategy. From shifting content budgets to exposing overlooked technical pitfalls, Buckbee makes the case that revenue leaders must adapt now to avoid losing visibility and pipeline in an AI-dominated landscape. Is your strategy keeping up, or is it time for a rehab? Episode Type: Problem Solving - Industry analysts, consultants, and founders take a bold stance on critical revenue challenges, offering insights you won't hear anywhere else. These episodes explore common industry challenges and potential solutions through expert insights and varied perspectives. Bullet Points of Key Topics + Chapter Markers: Topic #1: Google's Grip on B2B Search Is Slipping [02:41] Michael Buckbee argues that relying solely on Google for B2B brand discovery is now a critical mistake. He highlights how AI tools like ChatGPT, Gemini, and Perplexity are rapidly changing buyer behavior and asserts that "most marketers have no idea how they're showing up in AI and it's costing them real revenue." Brandi Starr questions whether AI is truly overtaking Google, leading Michael to explain that even Google is transforming its search experience in response to these new AI platforms. Topic #2: Outdated SEO Strategies Are Killing Organic Growth [06:23] Michael challenges the conventional top-of-funnel, high-traffic blog strategy that marketers have depended on for years. He points out that informational queries are increasingly answered directly by AI summaries, saying "those are going away as a traffic source," and urges leaders to shift focus toward bottom-of-funnel content that addresses specific buyer objections and differentiators. Brandi Starr pushes for actionable advice, sparking a discussion on how marketing budgets and content plans need to be realigned for this new search landscape. Topic #3: Winning Requires Siteless SEO and AI Indexing [15:56] Michael pushes revenue leaders to rethink basic SEO, warning that many websites are inadvertently blocking AI crawlers and missing out on AI-driven buyer research. He explains the need to ensure that AI bots can index your content and introduces the concept of "siteless SEO," recommending that brands publish content directly on platforms like LinkedIn and Reddit for broader visibility. The segment includes specific tactics as Michael calls this a foundational shift that "marketers need to act on now." The Wrong Approach vs. Smarter Alternative The Wrong Approach: "A common trap is to stick with the existing content plans. You know, you had mentioned AI overviews and how it lists sources. You know, you can still fight for those terms, those like high level informational terms. But I do think you really need to consider, is this something where people are going to read this and then there's a list of 30 sites on the side? Is that a benefit to you that you're one of those 30 links that's buried in there? Are people actually going to find you? Is it actually going to move things forward or are your efforts better spent elsewhere?" – Michael Buckbee Why It Fails: Traditional top-of-funnel content strategies focus on broad informational keywords, but AI search tools now summarize these queries and bury brands in a long list of sources. This leads to reduced visibility and engagement, as buyers are more likely to rely on AI summaries instead of clicking through to individual sites. The Smarter Alternative: Companies should pivot their content strategy toward mid- and bottom-funnel topics that address buyer objections and showcase clear differentiation. Distributing this content across multiple platforms, not just your website, increases the likelihood that AI systems will pick up and accurately represent your brand, making it easier for buyers to discover and trust you during their research process. The Most Damaging Myth The Myth: "We kind of don't need to care about these new AI startups and all we need to do is care about Google and they just go back to doing things how they have been doing them." – Michael Buckbee Why It's Wrong: Many marketers believe that focusing on traditional Google SEO is enough, but Google itself is evolving in response to AI-driven platforms like ChatGPT, Claude, and Gemini. Ignoring these changes means companies risk losing visibility where buyers are actually researching and making decisions, leading to missed revenue opportunities. What Companies Should Do Instead: Companies should adapt by monitoring their brand ...
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    25 min