# Title options (append " | Kelly Noble Mirabella | Own Your Next")

1. She Works 2–3 Days a Week. Here's the System. ← PICK
2. "I'm Not the Person for Viral." A Social Media Vet Explains.
3. She Fired Every Client, Went to Therapy, Then Built a Better Business.

# Why #1
Clip-worthy, curiosity gap, matches the chill fun tone, and points at the batching/system payoff without sounding like a hustle flex. #2 is a strong alt for contrarian scroll-stop. #3 is heavier (burnout pivot) — great for a later short, less for the cold thumbnail.

# Description
She works two to three days a week. Some weeks she doesn't work at all. And her clients still get what they need.

I'm Jennifer McPherson. I didn't start my first business until I was 48, and Own Your Next is about taking ownership of what comes next in life, business and leadership.

My guest is Kelly Noble Mirabella, founder of Stellar Media Marketing and a fellow Colorado business owner. She has 18 years in social media, co-wrote AI Chatbots For Dummies and Digital Etiquette For Dummies (Wiley), wrote The No-Burnout Batching System, and was ManyChat's primary trainer in the early days. She was building bots before most of us knew what a bot was.

This is a chill, fun conversation. We talk about teaching yourself chatbots in 2017 when the tools were basically "if this, then that," why knowing a little AI can be dangerous, the airplane seatmate who spent an hour typing handwritten notes into Word, how Kelly batch-creates content so she's not always "on," why she turns down clients who just want to go viral, how a book became an expensive business card for speaking gigs, Claude vs ChatGPT, and the Claude Duet workflow that finds new Colorado businesses every morning and sends free audits. We also get into her pivotal moment: burnout so bad she fired every client, went to therapy, and rebuilt a business that gives her time back.

Connect with Kelly Noble Mirabella
Website: https://www.stellarmediamarketing.com/
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/kellymirabella

# Chapters
0:00 Welcome to Own Your Next
1:30 Kelly's background: 18 years, Stellar, ManyChat
3:02 How she taught herself chatbots in 2017
6:39 AI amplifies your skills
6:42 Airplane story: notes that took an hour
9:56 The No-Burnout Batching System
11:05 Working 2–3 days a week
13:16 Setting client expectations (not chasing viral)
14:05 "I'm not the person for viral"
15:45 How she became a For Dummies author
18:12 Digital Etiquette burn on Threads
19:13 AI Chatbots For Dummies
21:01 Claude vs ChatGPT vs Grok
23:31 Claude Duet: auto lead gen + free audits
26:20 AI doesn't have to do everything
27:41 What's on Kelly's horizon
31:09 Pivotal moment: burnout, therapy, fired every client
34:02 Where to find Kelly

🎧 Listen to Own Your Next
Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/own-your-next-bold-moves-in-business-life/id1861608494
Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/47U9XlAOcCQzH9NHLJvX54
Substack: https://jenmcp.substack.com

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# Tags
Own Your Next, Jennifer McPherson, Kelly Noble Mirabella, Stellar Media Marketing, AI Chatbots For Dummies, Digital Etiquette For Dummies, No-Burnout Batching System, ManyChat, Baby Got Bot, chatbots, social media marketing, content batching, burnout, Claude, ChatGPT, Claude Duet, fractional social media director, Colorado entrepreneur, women in business, business podcast

"I just want to make decisions." Jonathan Schwartz has spent his career going wherever things were heading, from Forbes in the early days of online media to Bankrate, and now he's all in on AI.

I'm Jennifer McPherson. I didn't start my first business until I was 48, and Own Your Next is about taking ownership of what comes next in life, business and leadership.

My guest is Jonathan Schwartz of Groundwork AI, which helps companies build custom AI applications, automate workflows and transform how they work. His career has run through Deloitte, Forbes, Bankrate (where he helped take the company public), Nexstar, television writing for Sony and co-owning a boutique agency.

We talk about why the people who resisted change disappeared, why you should never be married to one AI model, why the biggest gap with AI is knowing what you want, how AI holds up a mirror to the way you run your business, his controversial take that there are too many websites, and why the future of work is spending your day making decisions.

Connect with Jonathan Schwartz

Groundwork AI: https://thegroundwork.ai

LinkedIn: search "Jonathan Schwartz, Groundwork AI"

🎧 Listen to Own Your Next

Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/own-your-next-bold-moves-in-business-life/id1861608494

Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/47U9XlAOcCQzH9NHLJvX54

Substack: https://jenmcp.substack.com

💬 Want to use AI in your business? Join my free Level Up AI community on Skool: https://www.skool.com/level-up-ai

Your website looks great. You've invested in SEO. So why aren't customers finding you?

In this episode of Own Your Next, I sit down with Emily Au, co-founder and marketing director of Ready Artwork, to talk about AI search, declining website clicks, and getting your business recommended by tools like ChatGPT and Claude.

Emily shares how her agency has adapted through more than 20 years of change, from designing logos and business cards to supporting B2B companies and public agencies with digital marketing.

This conversation also brings us full circle. Emily hosted my first podcast appearance. Now she joins me to share her experience building a business, listening to clients, and staying authentic as technology changes how we work.

We discuss:
• Why a good-looking website isn't enough to generate leads.
• How zero-click searches affect website traffic.
• Where traditional SEO fits alongside AI search.
• Why client education and communication matter.
• How small agencies partner with engineering firms on public-sector projects.
• Why Emily launched She's Got Hustle to spotlight women entrepreneurs.
• The value of human connection in an AI-driven business world.

CHAPTERS
00:00 Meet Emily Au
01:00 From graphic designer to agency co-founder
03:44 Knowing your work versus running a business
05:00 Using AI to reclaim time
06:04 Reinventing an agency through industry changes
08:27 Listening to clients and solving website problems
09:30 Zero-click searches and AI SEO
11:11 Partnering on public-sector projects
14:57 Getting found through AI search
17:50 Helping clients understand AI
21:32 Why Emily launched She's Got Hustle
23:44 AI and human connection
26:27 Working with technical teams
28:51 What Emily plans to own next
30:17 Where to connect with Emily

CONNECT WITH EMILY AU
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/mlyau
Website: https://www.readyartwork.com/
Emily's bio: https://www.readyartwork.com/author/emily/

FOLLOW READY ARTWORK
YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@ReadyArtwork
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/readyartwork/

LISTEN TO RAW SPOTLIGHT
Featuring Emily's She's Got Hustle conversations:
https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/raw-spotlight/id1771924521

CONNECT WITH JENNIFER MCPHERSON
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jennifer-mcpherson-9160b715
Chickenango Marketing Solutions: https://www.chickenango.com

Subscribe to Own Your Next for conversations with entrepreneurs and business leaders about decisions, setbacks, and their next move.

Are you using AI to search for businesses, services, or products? Share your experience in the comments.

#OwnYourNext #AISEO #DigitalMarketing #EmilyAu #ReadyArtwork #Entrepreneurship #WomenInBusiness

On this episode of Own Your Next, I talk with Kayla Orozco, founder and design engineer at Mesquite & Thorn Digital, an independent mobile app studio in the Rio Grande Valley of Texas. Kayla spent almost six years designing chatbots and phone systems for contact centers. This year she started building her own apps, including Handsful, a baby tracker made for parents of twins and other multiples, and School Supplied, which merges school supply lists into one shopping list.

She shares what surprised her while building with AI, why beta testing is hard, and what marketing looks like when you are self-funded. We also talk about where AI is going and what it means for everyday people. If you are curious about building your own app with AI, this conversation is for you.

CHAPTERS
0:00 Welcome, and meeting Kayla Orozco
0:38 Kayla's background: Brownsville, Texas, and almost six years in conversational AI
1:42 Chatbots, contact centers, and how fast AI has moved
2:09 Handsful: a baby tracker built for twins and other multiples
5:04 What surprised Kayla while building an app
7:07 Beta testing, trust, and launching sooner
8:29 School Supplied: merging school supply lists
11:43 Turning school forms and events into reminders
12:57 Marketing the apps: socials, ads, and UGC on a self-funded budget
14:48 Why marketing is the whole game
16:31 Time, energy, and balance
17:01 Where is AI going? Regulation, Hollywood, and everyday people
19:56 Fear of new technology and new kinds of jobs
21:56 The pivotal moment question
22:33 Building her own thing
24:35 Taking action
26:04 Wrap up and where to find Kayla

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KAYLA OROZCO AND MESQUITE & THORN DIGITAL
Kayla on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/kaylaorozco
Mesquite & Thorn Digital: https://www.mesquiteandthorn.digital/
Studio on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/mesquite-thorn-digital/
Studio on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/mesquiteandthorn

HANDSFUL (baby tracker for twins and other multiples)
Website: https://handsful.app
App Store: https://apps.apple.com/us/app/handsful-baby-tracker/id6797077032
Google Play: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.handsful.app

SCHOOL SUPPLIED (merges school supply lists into one shopping list)
Website: https://schoolsupplied.app
App Store: https://apps.apple.com/us/app/school-supplied/id6777847242
Google Play: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=app.schoolsupplied

Also on Apple Podcasts and Spotify.

Jim Kreinbrink has kept his agency growing for more than 20 years while search, and now AI, changed everything. His secret? "The problem isn't the problem. My reaction is the problem."

I'm Jennifer McPherson. I didn't start my first business until I was 48, and Own Your Next is about taking ownership of what comes next in life, business and leadership.

My guest is Jim Kreinbrink, owner and founder of HyperDog Media. He founded the Denver-area agency in 2004 and has spent more than two decades driving growth through search, paid media, digital PR and now AI-driven discovery. Jim also started the Denver SEO Meetup in 2007, created SearchCon in Breckenridge, and AgencyCon grew out of SearchCon. He brought AgencyCon back last spring and it sold out. I was there, and I'll see Jim at the next one.

We talk about the moment that changed his agency's direction, staying open to new technology (including AI), keeping a human in the loop, the emotional side of losing a client, why agencies need to remarket themselves to their own clients, and building community in Denver.

🐾 Connect with Jim Kreinbrink
HyperDog Media: https://www.hyperdogmedia.com/
Jim's bio: https://www.hyperdogmedia.com/jim-kreinbrink/
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/hyperdogmedia
HyperDog Media on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/hyper-dog-media
AgencyCon: https://agencycon.events/

🎧 Listen to Own Your Next
Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/own-your-next-bold-moves-in-business-life/id1861608494
Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/47U9XlAOcCQzH9NHLJvX54
Substack: https://jenmcp.substack.com

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Drew Hendricks has a degree in Philosophy and Ancient Greek, spent ten years as a wine buyer in San Francisco, and now runs Nimbletoad, an AI-powered marketing agency. In this episode, Drew shares how he jumped from wine to the web, why he calls AI "a revolution, not just an evolution," and what small businesses should do right now to get found when customers ask AI instead of Google. We talk content creation, SEO's big shakeup, building an AI growth flywheel, and the bold moves still ahead of him.

Highlights: Drew's entrepreneurial journey from the wine industry to founding a digital agency, how AI is changing marketing and business operations, using AI for content creation and SEO, generative engine optimization (getting found in AI search), building a continuous growth flywheel with AI, cost-effective AI tools for small businesses, and Drew's next bold moves.

Learn more about Drew Hendricks at nimbletoad.com. Own Your Next: Bold Moves in Business & Life is hosted by Jennifer McPherson. New episodes on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, and YouTube.

Marc Gutman is the Founder of Wildstory, a Boulder-based storytelling and content strategy agency that helps brands stand out by creating authentic connections. Under Marc's leadership, Wildstory has earned a reputation for its unique narrative-driven approach, with Marc himself amassing over 7,000 LinkedIn followers and recognition as an award-winning storyteller and entrepreneur. Before launching Wildstory, Marc began his career in Hollywood as a story editor for Oliver Stone's company, and he continues to draw on his passion for narrative in his work with businesses of all sizes.

Some careers begin with a plan, and others begin by getting close enough to the action that a door finally opens. But how do you turn curiosity, persistence, and a few unlikely breaks into a brand that helps others tell better stories?

Marc Gutman believes the answer starts with finding your people, not simply trying to stand out. Drawing from his experience as a storyteller and brand strategist, Marc explains that the strongest brands are clear about who they are, what they offer, and who they are for. That clarity makes a business more memorable, more human, and far less dependent on chasing whatever everyone else is doing.

In this episode of Own Your Next, Jennifer McPherson is joined by Marc Gutman, Founder of Wildstory, to discuss building a brand through storytelling. Marc shares how sneaking onto Hollywood lots shaped his career, why brands need a clear narrative, and how businesses can use AI without losing originality. Marc also talks about mindset, belief, and staying in the game as an entrepreneur.

Adam Probolsky is the President of Probolsky Research, a minority- and women-owned market and opinion research firm that provides strategic public opinion insights for corporate, government, nonprofit, and election clients nationwide. Under Adam's leadership, the firm has operated for over 30 years and achieved significant recent growth, conducting research projects for clients ranging from municipalities in Texas to major metropolitan economic forecasts. Adam's background in politics began at age 17, and his expertise combines extensive experience in public policy with a forward-looking approach to technology, including the integration of AI and automation into research workflows.

Social media can make it feel like everyone is shouting the same opinion, but the loudest voices are rarely the full picture. When leaders rely on that noise to understand what people think, what are they missing?

Adam Probolsky believes social media sentiment is not the same as actual public opinion. Drawing from his experience in public opinion research, he explains that most people do not publicly share their views online, and those who do often represent a very specific, biased subset of the population. For leaders, that means social media can be useful information, but it should never be mistaken for representative data.

In this episode of Own Your Next, Jennifer McPherson is joined by Adam Probolsky, President of Probolsky Research, to discuss why social media often distorts public opinion. They explore why leaders misread online feedback, how representative polling reveals a clearer picture, and why gut instinct should not be disguised as data. Adam also talks about how AI is changing research workflows.