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Why Distance Learning?

Why Distance Learning?

Di: Seth Fleischauer Allyson Mitchell and Tami Moehring
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Why Distance Learning? is a podcast about the decisions, design choices, and assumptions that determine whether live virtual learning becomes shallow and transactional—or meaningful, relational, and effective at scale. The show is designed for education leaders, instructional designers, and system-level practitioners responsible for adopting, scaling, and sustaining virtual, hybrid, and online learning models. Each episode examines the structural conditions under which distance learning actually works—and the predictable reasons it fails when it doesn’t. Through conversations with researchers, experienced practitioners, and field-shaping leaders, Why Distance Learning? translates research, field evidence, and lived experience into decision-relevant insight. Episodes surface real tradeoffs, near-failures, and hard-won lessons, equipping listeners with clear framing and language they can use to explain, defend, or redesign distance learning models in real organizational contexts. Hosted by Seth Fleischauer of Banyan Global Learning, and Allyson Mitchell and Tami Moehring of the Center for Interactive Learning and Collaboration, the podcast challenges outdated narratives about distance learning and explores what becomes possible when live virtual education is designed intentionally, human-centered, and grounded in evidence.© 2024 Why Distance Learning?
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  • #91 Agentagogy: What Learning With AI Actually Requires - with Mark Deschaine

    #91 Agentagogy: What Learning With AI Actually Requires - with Mark Deschaine
    Oct 12 2026
    In this episode of Why Distance Learning, Seth, Allyson, and Tami conclude their conversation with Dr. Mark Deschaine — Professor of Educational Leadership at the University of Mississippi — with a look at the practical frameworks for building and sustaining institutional knowledge in a period of rapid change. Deschaine traces the Five Cs of digital curation from its origins as a college-level literacy tool to its current life as an organizational knowledge management system, and closes by announcing agentagogy — a forthcoming framework for learning with agentic AI, grounded in the specific role of productive struggle.Together, Seth, Allyson, Tami, and Mark explore the Five Cs — collect, categorize, critique, conceptualize, circulate — and how they've evolved from individual educator practice into a knowledge management container layered above continuous improvement cycles, allowing organizations to hold onto what they know across staff turnover and structural change. Mark revisits No Child Left Behind's standardization mandate as a case study in the gap between quantitative accountability and qualitative story-telling, and asks whether 30 million individualized stories can ever aggregate into policy — or whether the market is already answering that question by moving outside the system. He drops news that Andreessen Horowitz is building its own AI-driven university, framing it as the clearest signal yet that innovators have stopped waiting for traditional structures to catch up. The conversation closes with two connected ideas: that distance learning, from correspondence courses to TikTok, has always existed outside the formal system — and that agentagogy, the framework Mark is currently developing, asks what happens to learning when the agent is no longer the learner but the AI. His answer is specific: productive struggle is the mechanism learning runs on, and an AI that removes all friction may be training us to stop developing the capacity to do the hard part ourselves.Key topics:Five Cs of digital curation as organizational knowledge managementContinuous improvement and the Process Improvement Guidelines frameworkNo Child Left Behind and the limits of quantitative accountabilityAndreessen Horowitz building an AI-driven universityDistance learning as always-existing informal practice (TikTok, YouTube, correspondence courses)Social learning, Zone of Proximal Development, and the role of productive struggleAgentagogy: a framework for learning with agentic AIADIL 34th Annual ConferenceLinks & Resources:"The Five Cs of Digital Curation: Supporting Twenty-First-Century Teaching and Learning" — Deschaine & Sharma, InSight: A Journal of Scholarly Teaching, 2015. https://www.researchgate.net/publication/281641256"Digital Curation: A Framework to Enhance Adolescent and Adult Literacy Initiatives" — Deschaine & Sharma, Journal of Adolescent & Adult Literacy, 2016. https://ila.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1002/jaal.523ADIL — Association for Distance Education and Independent Learning (34th Annual Conference, online, free for students): https://adeil.org/adeil-34th-annual-conference/Journal of Contemporary Research in Education (JCRE): https://egrove.olemiss.edu/jcre/Guest Bio: Mark E. Deschaine, PhDMark Deschaine is a Professor of Educational Leadership at the University of Mississippi, where he prepares MA, EdS, EdD, and PhD candidates for school and district leadership roles and serves as editor of the Journal of Contemporary Research in Education. His research focuses on online learning policy, special education in virtual school settings, and differentiated instruction — grounded in a practitioner career spanning building-level principal, special education teacher, and paraprofessional. He is a Research Fellow at Michigan Virtual and a Leadership Team Member for the National Standards for Quality Online Learning.About the Hosts:Seth Fleischauer is the founder of Banyan Global Learning and a host of Why Distance Learning, a podcast for education leaders and practitioners making real decisions about how virtual learning gets designed, adopted, and sustained. Through Banyan, he designs live virtual programs that connect K-12 classrooms to global peers and expert facilitators. See https://www.banyangloballearning.com/programs/global-cohortsAllyson Mitchell and Tami Moehring are co-hosts of Why Distance Learning and members of the team at CILC — the Center for Interactive Learning and Collaboration — which connects students to real experts through live virtual field trips and experiences. See https://cilc.org
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    38 min
  • #90 What Happens to Schools When Families Stop Showing Up with Dr. Mark Deschaine

    #90 What Happens to Schools When Families Stop Showing Up with Dr. Mark Deschaine
    Sep 28 2026
    In this episode of Why Distance Learning?, Seth, Allyson, and Tami continue their conversation with Dr. Mark Deschaine — Professor of Educational Leadership at the University of Mississippi and editor of the Journal of Contemporary Research in Education — about what it actually means to individualize, differentiate, personalize, and build presence in online learning environments, and why treating those four things as synonyms has real consequences for practice. Deschaine frames the discussion through decades of research in special education policy, online learning design, and teacher preparation.Together, Seth, Allyson, Tami, and Mark explore the four distinct instructional frames — individualization, differentiation, personalization, and presence — unpacking each one's theoretical basis and what it requires from a teacher or program designer. Mark introduces a four-quadrant framework for educational decision-making — theoretical, legal, empirical, and practical — that grounds those choices in something more durable than intuition. Seth synthesizes the two frameworks into a single arc: differentiation creates the conditions, individualization targets the path, personalization restores the learner's agency, and presence is the measure of whether it worked. The conversation then turns structural: as tens of thousands of students leave traditional systems for homeschooling and micro schools, school districts lose not just enrollment revenue but their roles as the primary economic engines of rural communities. Mark traces how state variation in school choice policy, educational savings accounts, and the decentralization of federal funding are reshaping where families live — and what kinds of learning infrastructure those communities can sustain. The episode ends on a question Mark leaves deliberately open: does a community have the resilience to absorb this level of change?Key topics:Individualization, differentiation, personalization, and presence as four distinct instructional framesFour-quadrant decision-making: theoretical, legal, empirical, and practicalHow special education's IEP model illuminates what individualized learning actually requiresHomeschooling growth and its impact on traditional school enrollment and fundingSchool districts as community economic engines — and what happens when they shrinkState variation in school choice, educational savings accounts, and online learning accessGeographic equity gaps in who can access distance learningLinks & Resources:"Framing Instructional Strategies as a Concept in K-12 Digital Learning" — Deschaine, Rice & Rose, ResearchGate, March 2026. https://www.researchgate.net/publication/402734231"Providing Special Education Services in Fully Online Statewide Virtual Schools: A Policy Scan" — Deschaine et al., 2020. https://www.researchgate.net/publication/340436252National Standards for Quality Online Learning (NSQOL): https://nsqol.org/Michigan Virtual: michiganvirtual.orgThe Reflective Practitioner — Donald Schön: https://www.hachettebookgroup.com/titles/donald-a-schon/the-reflective-practitioner/9780786725366/?lens=basic-booksGuest Bio: Mark E. Deschaine, PhDMark Deschaine is a Professor of Educational Leadership at the University of Mississippi, where he prepares MA, EdS, EdD, and PhD candidates for school and district leadership roles and serves as editor of the Journal of Contemporary Research in Education. His research focuses on online learning policy, special education in virtual school settings, and differentiated instruction — grounded in a practitioner career spanning building-level principal, special education teacher, and paraprofessional. He is a Research Fellow at Michigan Virtual and a Leadership Team Member for the National Standards for Quality Online Learning.About the Hosts:Seth Fleischauer is the founder of Banyan Global Learning and a host of Why Distance Learning, a podcast for education leaders and practitioners making real decisions about how virtual learning gets designed, adopted, and sustained. Through Banyan, he designs live virtual programs that connect K-12 classrooms to global peers and expert facilitators. See https://www.banyangloballearning.com/programs/global-cohortsAllyson Mitchell and Tami Moehring are co-hosts of Why Distance Learning and members of the team at CILC — the Center for Interactive Learning and Collaboration — which connects students to real experts through live virtual field trips and experiences. See https://cilc.org
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    37 min
  • #89 Digital Compassion, AI Literacy, and Closing the Digital Divide with Heather Gate

    #89 Digital Compassion, AI Literacy, and Closing the Digital Divide with Heather Gate
    Sep 14 2026
    In this episode of Why Distance Learning, Seth, Allyson, and Tami speak with Heather Gate — Executive Vice President of Digital Transformation at Connected Nation — about how the digital divide keeps changing shape, and why closing it takes more than laying cable.Together, Seth, Allyson, Tami, and Heather explore what "meaningful use" actually looks like — filling out a job application, setting up multi-factor authentication, helping a kid with homework — and why Heather argues the same access-versus-skills gap that shaped broadband adoption is now reopening around AI. They dig into how Connected Nation builds community-specific technology action plans (including a look at Bastrop County, Texas), the Teens Teach Tech program that pays teenagers to train their own neighbors and grandparents, and the idea of "digital compassion" as a companion to AI literacy. Heather also previews Connected Nation's attempt at a Guinness World Record: 25 straight hours of live digital skills training across six continents to mark the organization's 25th anniversary. She closes with one of the more memorable answers the show has gotten to its closing question, using a rural Kentucky classroom's remote-controlled telescope to make the case for what distance learning is really for.Key Topics:Meaningful use vs. broadband accessThe evolving definition of the digital divideThe emerging "AI divide"Technology action plans and community readinessTeens Teach Tech programDigital compassion and AI safetyConnected Nation's 25-hour Guinness World Record livestreamLinks & Resources:Connected Nation — https://connectednation.org25 Hours. One Connected World. (Guinness World Record livestream, September 24–25) — https://connectednation.org/25-hours-one-connected-worldTeens Teach Tech program — https://connectednation.org/programs/teens-teach-techAI Literacy Resource Hub — https://connectednation.org/resources/ai-web-resources"Beyond Access" digital literacy report — https://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/beyond-access-new-report-explores-how-digital-literacy-impacts-economic-educational-and-health-outcomes-in-america-302390208.htmlConnected Nation's VP of Digital Inclusion named FCC Communications Equity and Diversity Council Chair — https://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/connected-nations-vp-of-digital-inclusion-to-lead-fccs-communications-equity-and-diversity-council-as-chair-301404939.htmlThe Divide (Light Reading podcast): Heather Gate on maps, grants, and the "future-proof" fallacy — https://www.lightreading.com/digital-divide/the-divide-connected-nation-s-heather-gate-on-maps-grants-and-the-future-proof-fallacyGuest Bio: Heather GateHeather Gate is Executive Vice President of Digital Transformation at Connected Nation, where she has led digital inclusion strategy for nearly two decades, focusing on rural communities, minority populations, and other groups historically left behind by broadband access and digital skills gaps. She chairs the FCC's Communications Equity and Diversity Council and holds degrees in computer science and public administration from Kentucky State University.About the HostsSeth Fleischauer is the founder of Banyan Global Learning and a host of Why Distance Learning, a podcast for education leaders and practitioners making real decisions about how virtual learning gets designed, adopted, and sustained. Through Banyan, he designs live virtual programs that connect K-12 classrooms to global peers and expert facilitators. See https://www.banyangloballearning.com/programs/global-cohortsAllyson Mitchell and Tami Moehring are co-hosts of Why Distance Learning and members of the team at CILC — the Center for Interactive Learning and Collaboration — which connects students to real experts through live virtual field trips and experiences. See https://cilc.org
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    45 min
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