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The Bag Drop: Untold Stories in Golf

The Bag Drop: Untold Stories in Golf

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  • Like A Rolling Stone (with Kyle Franz Golf Course Architect)

    Like A Rolling Stone (with Kyle Franz Golf Course Architect)
    Nov 3 2026
    What does it take to build a golf course people will still be discussing and debating thirty years from now?In this episode of The Bag Drop: Untold Stories in Golf, host Matt Considine and co-host Dr. Kevin Moore (a.k.a. "The Professor") sit down with Kyle Franz (founder of Kyle Franz Golf Design), the architect behind the restorations at Mid Pines, Pine Needles and Southern Pines, Karoo at Cabot Citrus Farms, and Broomsedge with Mike Koprowski. Kyle walked onto Pacific Dunes as a 19-year-old intern for Tom Doak and has been pushing the edges of classical architecture ever since. This time he brings the story of Whispering Pines, an Ellis Maples course near his home rebuilt with a small crew, a tight plan and a price point meant for everyday golfers.The conversation dives into:Pacific Dunes from the inside: a $35 twilight round at Bandon, a dozer spotted on No. 5, and the Tom Doak email Kyle still carries in his bagWhy Donald Ross is golf's Rolling Stones, and why Frank and Ellis Maples deserve more of the Pinehurst creditEdgy on purpose: Citizen Kane, the Velvet Underground, and why Kyle is fine if not everyone loves what he buildsWhispering Pines' Moneyball approach: eight people through the winter, sand played as waste areas, and a green fee built for high school teams and Friday flights out of New YorkWhy a golf course is a band, not a solo act, from Joey Hancock on Broomsedge to a street artist shaping bunkers in TexasConnect with our guest🏗️ Kyle Franz — https://www.kylefranzgolf.com — 🐦 X/Twitter: https://x.com/KyleFranzGolfJoin the NewClub community🌍 Website: https://www.newclub.golf📸 Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/newclubgolf/🐦 X/Twitter: https://twitter.com/newclubgolf💼 LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/newclubLinks & Partners👕 Holderness & Bourne: https://www.hbgolf.com⛳ Country Club of Whispering Pines: https://countryclubofwhisperingpines.comThe Bag Drop📺 Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-bag-drop-untold-stories-in-golf/id1430328006📺 YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@thebagdrop🎧 Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/2xRWtUBJH8RazdLw14oaGH🎧 Website: https://thebagdrop.fm/Connect with Matt & The Professor🎙️ Matt Considine — 🐦 X/Twitter: https://x.com/consequential85 | 📸 Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/consequence18/ | 💼 LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/matt-considine-103bb21/📚 Dr. Kevin Moore ("The Professor") — 🐦 X/Twitter: https://x.com/kevcmoore | 📸 Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/kevcmoore | 💼 LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/kevin-moore-177b30b3/🗣️ Contribute to the show! — 📧 email: thebagdrop@newclub.golfChapters00:00 Cold open: Kyle Franz on the five who set golf's course in America00:45 Welcome, and the Mid Pines walk that got the Professor back into golf02:12 Story time: the drivers-only league night08:47 The Professor's teaching: two years of every decade on your phone11:34 Introducing Kyle Franz and Whispering Pines13:29 Holderness & Bourne: the polo that started at Winged Foot15:22 Kyle Franz joins: can an architect have a favorite?17:49 Pacific Dunes at 19: was the public ready for it?24:28 Doak's reversible course and the case for edgy design27:54 Confidence in the dirt: Tom Doak's email to a 19-year-old29:43 $35 twilight at Bandon and a dozer on No. 534:50 History as a tool: what the old links really looked like39:29 Citizen Kane, the Velvet Underground and patience with edgy work41:33 Donald Ross, the Rolling Stones of golf45:23 Frank and Ellis Maples, and Robert Hunter's verdict48:17 Raleigh Country Club: Ross, McGovern and Maples in one course52:52 Hidden gems: Fraserburgh and a green in Rio59:37 Karoo and the category-five hurricane brief1:02:45 Whispering Pines: waste areas and only a few rakes1:08:27 Putting a number on affordable1:13:11 Moneyball shaping: a small crew and a Bear Bryant speech1:16:45 Long-term planning: Minikahda and the pond on six1:21:55 Delegation: Hanse in the dozer, Coore on the Sand Pro, Doak on foot1:29:13 Casting the crew: Luling's barrancas and a street artist's bunkers1:35:39 Broomsedge, Mike Koprowski and those flagsticks1:43:14 It takes a band: why great courses are collaborative1:50:06 Tour pros as architects: Crenshaw, the Prairie Club and Tom Lehman at Cal Club2:05:06 What's next for Kyle, and thanks2:06:35 Holderness & Bourne: Andrew Bailey, from the merch tent to Pebble BeachWhat is NewClub?A golf club without the real estate. One membership, a rotation of great courses, tee times, competitions, trips already on the calendar, and people who love the game the way you do. We play as visitors of the clubs and courses that host us, and those relationships are the heart of what we do.What is The Bag Drop?Deeply researched audio documentaries telling the stories behind golf's greatest clubs, plus weekly conversations with the characters and communities shaping golf today. Hosted by NewClub founder Matt Considine ...
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    1 ora e 56 min
  • Why Nice Wins (with Karen Peek, Detroit's Muni Golf Boss)

    Why Nice Wins (with Karen Peek, Detroit's Muni Golf Boss)
    Oct 27 2026
    Karen Peek's first golf memory isn't a great shot. It's her mom and aunt on the lesson tee at Rackham, laughing to tears and hitting it terribly.In this episode of The Bag Drop: Untold Stories in Golf, host Matt Considine and co-host Dr. Kevin Moore (a.k.a. "The Professor") sit down with Karen Peek (Director of Golf Operations for Golf Detroit and an LPGA teaching professional) to talk about growing up on Detroit's municipal courses, chasing the LPGA Tour through four Q-Schools, and why being genuinely glad to see people is the best business decision a golf course can make.The conversation dives into:Learning the game from Ben Davis at Rackham and Chris Williams at Palmer Park, the only two Black members of the Michigan PGA section at the timeFour tries at the LPGA Tour, never once feeling comfortable at Q-School, and a putting saga that runs from hypnosis to a new Scotty Cameron ordered two weeks agoWhy teaching is a skill, not telling people how you do it, and why the boyfriend lesson ends the golf before it ends the relationshipThe 150-yard markers at Chandler Park and why she isn't getting drunk on golf's boom"Hey dude, what's up?", the private-club pro shop that never said hello, and why she can charge more because her courses are nicerBen Davis's legacy: humble, fierce, and always moving golfers off the range and onto the courseConnect with our guest🏌️‍♀️ Karen Peek — Golf Detroit: https://golfdetroit.org — 📘 Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/GolfDetroit/ — 💼 https://www.linkedin.com/in/karen-peek-6a649712/Join the NewClub community🌍 Website: https://www.newclub.golf📸 Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/newclubgolf/🐦 X/Twitter: https://twitter.com/newclubgolf💼 LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/newclubLinks & Partners⛳ Erin Hills: https://www.erinhills.com🏌️ Titleist: https://www.titleist.comThe Bag Drop📺 Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-bag-drop-untold-stories-in-golf/id1430328006📺 YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@thebagdrop🎧 Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/2xRWtUBJH8RazdLw14oaGH🎧 Website: https://thebagdrop.fm/Connect with Matt & The Professor🎙️ Matt Considine — 🐦 X/Twitter: https://x.com/consequential85 | 📸 Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/consequence18/ | 💼 LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/matt-considine-103bb21/📚 Dr. Kevin Moore ("The Professor") — 🐦 X/Twitter: https://x.com/kevcmoore | 📸 Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/kevcmoore | 💼 LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/kevin-moore-177b30b3/🗣️Contribute to the show! — 📧 email: thebagdrop@newclub.golfChapters00:00 Cold open: when your boyfriend is your golf teacher00:45 Welcome, and a bruised fall for Guardians and Bulldogs fans03:12 Best fall format: East Lothian rules vs. Steel vs. Rubber05:05 The team-event climax, plus First Tee Cleveland and Akron06:20 Meet Karen Peek of Golf Detroit07:56 The Professor's teaching: 20 minutes outside, less cortisol09:58 Erin Hills: the glaciers did the heavy lifting12:10 Karen joins: baseball first, and nothing for State15:18 A Cleveland-fan dad and a Tigers-fan daughter19:35 Mom's lessons with Ben Davis: so happy, so awful22:12 Free Press summer golf school: 400 kids, no golf balls23:39 Biking to Palmer Park and learning from Chris Williams25:07 Losing her dad at 14, and the comfort of the individual game27:51 Par was the standard, practice was the answer31:37 Four tries at the LPGA Tour, and advice from people who haven't been there36:43 Q-School: prepared until she got there38:45 Hypnosis, acupuncture, and a putter over the knee42:53 Lemons into lemonade: joining the LPGA to teach44:50 Teaching is a skill, not telling people how you do it48:16 Six-foot-four students and "please don't apologize"52:41 What Carol Mann taught her: people need to know you care56:28 Horrific lessons and the boyfriend at the range59:35 Delivery over knowledge: listen first1:03:13 Get them on the course, the sooner the better1:04:14 Nobody knows what 300 yards looks like (hit one more club)1:08:49 The 150-yard markers at Chandler Park1:11:23 Don't get drunk on the boom1:13:19 Building comfort: staff who look like your golfers1:15:26 "Hey dude, what's up?"1:17:36 The private-club pro shop that said nothing1:19:23 "I can charge more because I'm nicer"1:22:55 Ben Davis: humble, fierce, always smiling1:26:26 Thanks, and the outro with Erin HillsWhat is NewClub?A golf club without the real estate. One membership, a rotation of great courses, tee times, competitions, trips already on the calendar, and people who love the game the way you do. We play as visitors of the clubs and courses that host us, and those relationships are the heart of what we do.What is The Bag Drop?Deeply researched audio documentaries telling the stories behind golf's greatest clubs, plus weekly conversations with the characters and communities shaping golf today. Hosted by NewClub founder Matt Considine and The ...
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    1 ora e 29 min
  • Shared, Not Gatekept (with Jeff Warne Founder New Holland Golf Club)

    Shared, Not Gatekept (with Jeff Warne Founder New Holland Golf Club)
    Oct 20 2026
    Many private club models seem to rely on keeping somebody out. Jeff Warne would rather keep out those who want just that.In this episode of The Bag Drop: Untold Stories in Golf, host Matt Considine and co‑host Dr. Kevin Moore (a.k.a. “The Professor”) sit down with Jeff Warne (longtime Director of Golf at The Bridge and founder of New Holland Golf Club in Aiken, South Carolina). Jeff has been sketching his ideal club since 2001; now he's building it as a members' club with UK-style visitor access, in a market where most new builds lock the gate. He makes the case that good golf should be shared, explains the one-page doctrine that filters his membership better than any pitch deck, and gets into firm-but-slow greens, golf's distance problem, and 60 trips' worth of Scotland.The conversation dives into:Why good golf should be shared, not gatekept, and how visitor tee times in the gaps are meant to keep members' dues downThe one-page doctrine that doubles as a filter: hand it to a consultant or an AI and it comes back exclusive, luxury, manicured — the words that undo the whole ideaFirm but slow: why Brian Schneider's greens carry more slope, and why "we need more pin placements" usually means "slow the greens down"Sixty trips to Scotland, an unplanned run through Arran and Kintyre, and why to skip the famous-eight van tourThe distance debate, bifurcation, and why Al Geiberger's 59 still towers over today's 59 watchConnect with our guests⛳ Jeff Warne — 🐦 X/Twitter: https://x.com/jeffwarnegolf | 💼 LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jeff-warne-37335811/ | 📧 Email: jeffwarne85@gmail.com🌲 New Holland Golf Club — 🌐 https://www.newhollandgolfclub.com/ | 📸 Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/newhollandgolfclubInterested in New Holland? Jeff asks for an email, not a text, and he'd like you to read the doctrine first.Join the NewClub community🌍 Website: https://www.newclub.golf📸 Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/newclubgolf/🐦 X/Twitter: https://twitter.com/newclubgolf📺 YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@newclubgolf💼 LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/newclubLinks & Partners🏌️ Titleist: https://www.titleist.comListen to The Bag Drop🎧 Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-bag-drop-untold-stories-in-golf/id1430328006🎧 Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/2xRWtUBJH8RazdLw14oaGH🎧 Website: https://thebagdrop.fm/Connect with Matt & The Professor🎙️ Matt Considine — 🐦 X/Twitter: https://x.com/consequential85 | 📸 Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/consequence18/ | 💼 LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/matt-considine-103bb21/📚 Dr. Kevin Moore ("The Professor") — 🐦 X/Twitter: https://x.com/kevcmoore | 📸 Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/kevcmoore | 💼 LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/kevin-moore-177b30b3/🗣️Contribute to the show! — 📧 email: thebagdrop@newclub.golfChapters00:00 Cold open: modern golf is being run backwards00:31 Welcome, and the Professor's two-week research retreat in Scotland01:43 When to play links golf: September, or the late-April sweet spot02:54 Today's guest, and why New Holland stands out in Aiken's private boom05:40 The Professor's teaching: Brad's Drink, BackRub and other names that didn't stick09:13 Titleist: SM11 wedges, and getting fit before the clubs go away10:35 Jeff Warne joins (with notes on everything we just said)12:03 Sixty trips in: stop playing the famous eight14:27 A missed qualifier, the Arran ferry, and Shiskine and Corrie to themselves17:51 Walk-up tee times at Machrihanish and a lunch standoff at Dunaverty20:58 The first trip: book a few big guns, then play Prestwick St Nicholas22:44 The scale problem: courses built for Watson and Nicklaus24:32 Bifurcation was the answer, and Geiberger's 59 still stands alone27:41 Accessible golf at home: Myrtle Beach (really) and Maine nine-holers30:24 New Holland's access model: members first, visitors in the gaps33:19 Shared, not gatekept: members and visitors, not public and private35:03 The doctrine: 25 years of notes, typed in 40 minutes36:37 Exclusive, luxury, manicured: when the polished rewrite becomes the filter44:05 Native vegetation, construction traffic and the jungle coming back46:51 100% invested in less, and moving a third of the dirt50:40 Any pressure to bend the UK model?53:50 Want exclusive? Join somewhere else54:49 Why established clubs can't open up: the bag room doubled57:01 The hundredth property, and the Tree Farm that got away1:01:50 Firm but slow, at 102 degrees and three-quarters of an inch1:04:23 "We need more pin placements" means slow the greens down1:06:46 Long Cove, grainy Bermuda and why fast greens are easy1:10:38 The scene in 20 years, and why culture is the hard part1:14:02 Handing The Bridge to Mike Sweeney1:16:43 Public golf, Gold Hill and making the group big1:18:31 Thanks and sign-offWhat is NewClub?A golf club without the real estate. One membership, a rotation of great ...
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    1 ora e 19 min
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