Like A Rolling Stone (with Kyle Franz Golf Course Architect)

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Like A Rolling Stone (with Kyle Franz Golf Course Architect)

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What does it take to build a golf course people will still be discussing and debating thirty years from now?In this episode of The Bag Drop: Untold Stories in Golf, host Matt Considine and co-host Dr. Kevin Moore (a.k.a. "The Professor") sit down with Kyle Franz (founder of Kyle Franz Golf Design), the architect behind the restorations at Mid Pines, Pine Needles and Southern Pines, Karoo at Cabot Citrus Farms, and Broomsedge with Mike Koprowski. Kyle walked onto Pacific Dunes as a 19-year-old intern for Tom Doak and has been pushing the edges of classical architecture ever since. This time he brings the story of Whispering Pines, an Ellis Maples course near his home rebuilt with a small crew, a tight plan and a price point meant for everyday golfers.The conversation dives into:Pacific Dunes from the inside: a $35 twilight round at Bandon, a dozer spotted on No. 5, and the Tom Doak email Kyle still carries in his bagWhy Donald Ross is golf's Rolling Stones, and why Frank and Ellis Maples deserve more of the Pinehurst creditEdgy on purpose: Citizen Kane, the Velvet Underground, and why Kyle is fine if not everyone loves what he buildsWhispering Pines' Moneyball approach: eight people through the winter, sand played as waste areas, and a green fee built for high school teams and Friday flights out of New YorkWhy a golf course is a band, not a solo act, from Joey Hancock on Broomsedge to a street artist shaping bunkers in TexasConnect with our guest🏗️ Kyle Franz — https://www.kylefranzgolf.com — 🐦 X/Twitter: https://x.com/KyleFranzGolfJoin the NewClub community🌍 Website: https://www.newclub.golf📸 Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/newclubgolf/🐦 X/Twitter: https://twitter.com/newclubgolf💼 LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/newclubLinks & Partners👕 Holderness & Bourne: https://www.hbgolf.com⛳ Country Club of Whispering Pines: https://countryclubofwhisperingpines.comThe Bag Drop📺 Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-bag-drop-untold-stories-in-golf/id1430328006📺 YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@thebagdrop🎧 Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/2xRWtUBJH8RazdLw14oaGH🎧 Website: https://thebagdrop.fm/Connect with Matt & The Professor🎙️ Matt Considine — 🐦 X/Twitter: https://x.com/consequential85 | 📸 Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/consequence18/ | 💼 LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/matt-considine-103bb21/📚 Dr. Kevin Moore ("The Professor") — 🐦 X/Twitter: https://x.com/kevcmoore | 📸 Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/kevcmoore | 💼 LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/kevin-moore-177b30b3/🗣️ Contribute to the show! — 📧 email: thebagdrop@newclub.golfChapters00:00 Cold open: Kyle Franz on the five who set golf's course in America00:45 Welcome, and the Mid Pines walk that got the Professor back into golf02:12 Story time: the drivers-only league night08:47 The Professor's teaching: two years of every decade on your phone11:34 Introducing Kyle Franz and Whispering Pines13:29 Holderness & Bourne: the polo that started at Winged Foot15:22 Kyle Franz joins: can an architect have a favorite?17:49 Pacific Dunes at 19: was the public ready for it?24:28 Doak's reversible course and the case for edgy design27:54 Confidence in the dirt: Tom Doak's email to a 19-year-old29:43 $35 twilight at Bandon and a dozer on No. 534:50 History as a tool: what the old links really looked like39:29 Citizen Kane, the Velvet Underground and patience with edgy work41:33 Donald Ross, the Rolling Stones of golf45:23 Frank and Ellis Maples, and Robert Hunter's verdict48:17 Raleigh Country Club: Ross, McGovern and Maples in one course52:52 Hidden gems: Fraserburgh and a green in Rio59:37 Karoo and the category-five hurricane brief1:02:45 Whispering Pines: waste areas and only a few rakes1:08:27 Putting a number on affordable1:13:11 Moneyball shaping: a small crew and a Bear Bryant speech1:16:45 Long-term planning: Minikahda and the pond on six1:21:55 Delegation: Hanse in the dozer, Coore on the Sand Pro, Doak on foot1:29:13 Casting the crew: Luling's barrancas and a street artist's bunkers1:35:39 Broomsedge, Mike Koprowski and those flagsticks1:43:14 It takes a band: why great courses are collaborative1:50:06 Tour pros as architects: Crenshaw, the Prairie Club and Tom Lehman at Cal Club2:05:06 What's next for Kyle, and thanks2:06:35 Holderness & Bourne: Andrew Bailey, from the merch tent to Pebble BeachWhat is NewClub?A golf club without the real estate. One membership, a rotation of great courses, tee times, competitions, trips already on the calendar, and people who love the game the way you do. We play as visitors of the clubs and courses that host us, and those relationships are the heart of what we do.What is The Bag Drop?Deeply researched audio documentaries telling the stories behind golf's greatest clubs, plus weekly conversations with the characters and communities shaping golf today. Hosted by NewClub founder Matt Considine ...

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