After a small break, Brian and Andrew are back. Both came with independent lists, sat down, and went back and forth for an hour on something they have been doing together for over a decade: running brand tracking studies the right way.

Between them, they have overseen the in-field transition of more than ten large continuous tracking programs, launched dozens more, and spent years studying exactly how panel bias shows up in longitudinal data in ways that most researchers never catch. This episode is the playbook they wish existed when they started.

The conversation covers how to think about blending panels for a tracker, why your anchor panel is the most important decision you will make, how inherent panel bias gets built in through recruiting practices that panels will never volunteer to you, why over-engineering the blend is its own form of data corruption, and why NPS in a tracker is a trap waiting to spring.

If you run a tracker, manage a tracker, or are about to set one up, this one is worth a full listen.

Key Takeaways:

• Why your anchor panel is the single most important structural decision in a blended tracker

• How panels develop inherent brand bias through their own recruiting, and why they will never tell you about it

• Why NPS is dangerous in a tracker and how to use it without blowing up your trend line

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No guest, no agenda, no notes. Brian and Andrew just riffed for an hour on one of the biggest questions in the industry right now: what does sampling look like in 5 years?

Brian is presenting on the future of sampling at the Future of Insights Summit in Athens, Georgia, and this episode is the unfiltered, longer version of that talk. The current model is broken and nobody serious is arguing otherwise. The real question is what replaces it, and who wins when it does.

They work through where today's panels fall short, what synthetic data can and cannot actually do right now, and why the first truly useful synthetic products will likely be built inside brands, not sold to them. P&G, Google, and Meta are sitting on behavioral data sets that dwarf anything a panel company owns. That has consequences.

The conversation also gets into why the brands that build proprietary synthetic tools will have a moat that nobody can buy, why psychological data will never fully be replaced, and why the next 5 years might be the most interesting and terrifying stretch in the history of this industry.

Key Takeaways:

• Why the current online panel model is broken and what the industry is not doing about it

• Why the first useful synthetic products will be built by brands using their own data, not by research suppliers

• Why human panels are not going away, and what role they play in a world increasingly run by synthetic models

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Andrew flies solo and sits down with Joey Maddox and Sebastian Babis from Verisoul, fresh off a $9M Series A and the most creative go-to-market run market research has seen in years.

Times Square billboards. A Reds game with hundreds of attendees. Branded cigarettes at a European conference. None of it is random. Verisoul mapped their top 200 prospect companies, identified the 10 to 15 buyers at each, plotted where they all live, and built activations around them. Strategic chaos.

The conversation covers how a team from banking and identity fraud disrupted a market that had been hearing the same messaging for years, why in-person trust-building is non-negotiable when your product is fraud prevention, and what it looks like to run go-to-market across wildly different verticals at once. Also, all three of them are newly married or about to be, and the wedding vendor pricing rant is worth the listen alone.

Key Takeaways:

• How Verisoul built a geographic database of prospects and designed its entire events strategy around it

• Why an outside-in approach to fraud detection is beating well-funded incumbents head-to-head on accuracy

• The marketing ideas that did not make the cut, including blowing up a building with a competitor's logo on it

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