Season two is a wrap. In the finale it's just us, Aaron and Ben, rewinding the so what season: our favourite moments, the surprises, and the guests who gave us tears, both the sad kind and the laughing kind.

We talk about sitting back at the table with Dr Lynn Moresi, the fan girl moment of the 1946 episode, the conversion therapy Tims, Matt Glover still refusing to admit he took a stand, the David Gushee moment that made Ben cry on air forthe first time, a listener story that sums up why we do this, Gaz and Jesse's laugh out loud episode, and what season three might look like.

And to every listener, especially the silent ones: thank you. You're the reason we do this.

We're taking a break and will be back with season three in 2027. Go back and catch up on any episode you missed.

Queerfully Made is the podcast exploring the intersection of faith, sexuality and gender, hosted by Aaron Kelly and Ben Nicholson in Naarm/Melbourne.

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Timothy Schraeder Rodriguez spent eight years in conversion therapy with Exodus International while doing social media and marketing for some of the biggest churches in the world, including Willow Creek, the Global Leadership Summit and Hillsong.We talk Hillsong's chair trick (and Bobbie's comment), the job offer that came with a celibacy condition, the Mark Driscoll arena that broke him, his first gay Christian conference, taking communion after ten years, worship music as reclamation, sobriety, the Lost Boys, and his message to pastors still sending young people to conversion practices.Timothy's book Conversion Therapy Dropout is out now: www.conversiontherapydropoutbook.comMentioned: our episode with Professor Timothy Jones on Australia's research into conversion practices.Queerfully Made is the podcast exploring the intersection of faith, sexuality and gender, hosted by Aaron Kelly and Ben Nicholson in Naarm/Melbourne.Follow Timothy: @timothy.s.rodriguez)If this episode brings things up, QLife (1800 184 527) offers free LGBTIQ+ peer support across Australia.Chapters00:00 Cold open00:32 Acknowledgement of Country01:15 Welcome Timothy02:53 Hillsong's chairs and Bobbie's comment08:42 Working at Hillsong while out11:31 The job offer with a celibacy condition15:13 Eight years in conversion therapy19:57 The last Exodus conference and burnout22:11 Mark Driscoll and a breakdown23:39 His first gay Christian conference27:39 Communion after ten years29:41 Religious trauma and worship music35:28 Finding a church that fits37:36 Shame, sobriety and God on the dance floor40:23 Too gay for the church, too Christian for the gays43:59 Why he wrote the book48:02 Back at Hillsong49:38 Ministry looks different now53:38 To the kid still in church54:57 To the pastor57:46 Where to find the book

From altar boy to Drag Race, Karen From Finance has been questioning structure his whole life.

Richard Chadwick grew up Catholic, served as an altar boy alongside Cardinal George Pell, and lost his mum to breast cancer at 14. When his school wouldn't let him ask why, he started questioning everything, and that road led him straight into drag.

Melbourne's premier corporate queen joins Aaron and Ben for a conversation that's equal parts tender and unhinged.

What we get into:

→ How being queer taught him to question structure (and why that led to drag)

→ Serving mass with Cardinal Pell, and how it felt when the news came out

→ Grief, God's plan and a Catholic school that stopped taking his questions

→ How Karen From Finance was born from an op shop prom dress

→ Why drag doesn't hide who you are, it reveals it

→ Calling out a transphobic auntie on Facebook

→ Nana, a pack of cigarettes and a certificate from Pride class

→ Internalised homophobia 20 years after coming out

→ His faith now: respect, admiration and why it's not for him

→ Mortein flamethrowers, Body Electric and Microsoft 365

You can't be what you can't see.

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