*Note from Mark and Jill: We’re so glad to share that the No More Perfect Podcast is now available on YouTube!

“Mom, don’t be foolish. He’s just going to do this again.”

Broken trust affects more than just your spouse. There’s a ripple effect that goes out and changes every relationship, from your children to your relatives, close friendships, and even neighbors.

We know that, when recovering from infidelity and broken trust, it can be difficult to know how to start mending the fractures that the betrayal has caused within your social circle. That’s why, in this conversation, we will be giving you a structure you can follow to start repairing those relationships that have been damaged. This is part three in our four-part series, Recovering from Infidelity and Broken Trust. If you haven’t already done so, we encourage you to go back and listen to parts one and two here.

As you pursue reconciliation, it doesn’t happen all at once. It may take weeks, months, or even years to fully restore all the relationships that have been damaged. However, it’s imperative that you start with your spouse, then your children, and then move out to the “outer circles.”

In this episode, you’ll hear:

• A blueprint for where reconciliation should begin
• What it means to have a “safe conversation”
• Advice for the spouse who still thinks about their affair partner
• And more!

As we continue in this series, we hope it is an encouragement and resource for anyone who is navigating reconciliation!

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I Really Messed Up: https://amzn.to/4sJ81Lg

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Have you ever thought:

I don’t love my spouse anymore. Marriage should be easier than this. My spouse doesn’t care about me.

If so, you are not alone. When relationships become rocky, it’s easy for lies like these to consume our minds.

Before someone seriously considers leaving their marriage or cheating on their spouse, there is first a battle in their mind. In our own marriage crisis, Mark thought and believed similar things, which eventually led to him stepping out and leaving our marriage.

What we see every day as marriage coaches is that the same thoughts that nearly destroyed our marriage are destroying marriages all over the world. That’s why, in this conversation, we are continuing our Recovering from Infidelity and Broken Trust series. In case you missed it, you can head back and listen to part one here.

In this episode, you’ll hear:

• Some of the lies that drive people to consider leaving their marriage
• Why our issues will always follow us to a new relationship
• The essentials of breaking off an affair
• Our personal story navigating infidelity
• And more!

If this topic hit home and you want something practical to dig into, we’ve written three books we want to share with you:

No More Perfect Marriages: https://amzn.to/4bLuwZZ
My Heart is Broken: https://amzn.to/3YQZA32
I Really Messed Up: https://amzn.to/4sJ81Lg

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• For Hurting Marriages
• For Marriages Where You’re the Only One Wanting to Get Help

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• New/Preschool Moms
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• Moms with Teens and Tweens
• Moms with Kids Who Are Launching
• Empty Nest...

*Note from Mark and Jill: We’re so glad to share that the No More Perfect Podcast is now available on YouTube! We love finding new ways to connect with you, and we hope you enjoy the added experience of watching along as you listen.

“Yes, I’m having an affair, and I’m not going to stop.”

Hearing these words would be absolutely heartbreaking for anyone. But if you’ve ever navigated infidelity, you’re certainly not alone.

The numbers are staggering, really. Statistics indicate that 65% of men and 55% of women cheat before they turn 40, and that both Christians and non-Christians are prone to similar levels of infidelity.

Infidelity and broken trust have been a significant part of our story, as well as the stories of the couples we coach on a regular basis. After 14 years on this journey of recovery and repair, our marriage has come out stronger on the other side. Now, we want to share what we’ve learned in the hopes that it helps others who are going through the same thing.

This is part one of a four-episode series on recovering from infidelity and broken trust. Even if this doesn’t directly apply to you and your relationship, our hope is that it may help you help someone else.

In this episode, you’ll hear:

• The four phases of infidelity
• Our personal journey navigating broken trust
• Some factors that contribute to infidelity
• And more!

We hope that this series will be a blessing and encouragement to every couple, regardless of what stage your marriage is in.

If this topic hit home and you want something practical to dig into, we’ve written three books we want to share with you:

No More Perfect Marriages: https://amzn.to/4bLuwZZ
My Heart is Broken: https://amzn.to/3YQZA32
I Really Messed Up: https://amzn.to/4sJ81Lg

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Welcome to the first episode of 2026! As we welcome the new year, a time marked by fresh starts and new routines, it’s the perfect opportunity to talk about making over our mornings!

I personally needed this conversation because I am not a morning person, and I desperately need to make some changes. (Mark would say that I’m only aware of 6 o’clock happening once a day, and that is in the evenings.)

My guest, Tara Beth Leach, is a pastor, speaker, writer, and author. She’s the Senior Pastor at Good Shepherd Church in Naperville, Illinois. Tara has written four books, including The GREAT Morning Revolution: Daily Spiritual Practices for Meaningful Moments with God.

In this episode, you’ll hear:

• How transforming your mornings can have a deep personal impact
• An acronym to have a GREAT morning
• A framework for lifting up our exaltation to God
• And more!

I hope this conversation has inspired you to make a shift in how you start your day!

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Each year around Christmas, we like to do a special episode where we not only celebrate the holiday, but also look back on the last year and all that God has been teaching us. The days and months can often speed by us, and that’s why it’s so nice to take a moment to pause and reflect.

We are reviewing the entire year before moving into 2026, including why Mark has been on the podcast more (and why he’ll be returning more next year!), what it was like to start the year off with our Life 2.0 Foundation work in Africa, and more.

In this episode, you’ll hear:

• What we’ve learned in 2025
• The role that waiting plays in the context of Christmas
• Some exciting things that are coming in the new year
• And more!

From our family to yours, have a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year!

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We love Christmas! It’s our (and especially Mark’s) favorite time of year. Besides the decorations, presents, cheer, and time with family, Christmas marks a very special event. It’s when God sent His son to earth, which was the greatest expression of His love for us.

In our own personal story of redeeming our marriage together, one of the biggest lessons we learned was what love really looks like. It’s not that we were unloving in the 1.0 version of us; it’s just that we didn’t understand how to love each other and receive love well.

All of us can benefit from maturing our understanding of love. Instead of falling into the trap of giving and receiving love that’s transactional, we need to practice the kind of love that Jesus showed us.

In this episode, you’ll hear:

• The characteristics of real love
• How Jesus displayed love for us
• Ways we can express sacrificial love for one another
• And more!

We hope this conversation helps you understand the true love that Jesus exemplified when He laid down His life for us!

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Are you feeling restless today? Dissatisfied? Sometimes, when we’re feeling these unpleasant emotions, we can struggle to identify their source.

What you might not realize is that many of those feelings can come from the false beliefs we hold about the world, ourselves, and those around us. Many of us are believing lies that rob us of contentment and cripple our intimacy with God.

For Mark and I, becoming “lie detectors” in our own lives has been a big part of our healing process—both as individuals and as a married couple. That’s why I’m so glad my guest for this conversation is a champion of truth, and he’s here to help us lean away from lies and toward what’s real.

Gary Thomas says that the key to the truly abundant new life God promises starts with unlearning falsehoods we may not even realize we believe. Gary is a bestselling author and international speaker whose ministry seeks to bring people closer to Christ and to others.

In this episode, you’ll hear:

• God’s true purpose for marriage
• Some of the lies that rob us of joy
• The key to having a deep relationship with God and others
• And more!

It was a pleasure to have Gary on the show, as his writing has had such a deep impact on our lives and marriage.

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This week’s episode will look a little bit different, as we are resharing one of our top five episodes of all time with you!

With the holiday season beginning, there will be countless opportunities for relationships to be strained. You’ll encounter many situations where you will have to interact with people that you would rather avoid.

We were designed to be in relationships. However, even though connecting with others is part of our DNA, navigating relationships can also be one of the most challenging parts of life. Joining me to help us explore this topic is PeggySue Wells.

PeggySue is an author, speaker, and coach. She is the best-selling author of 45 books. On top of that, she’s a single mom of 7 kids. PeggySue has a passion for helping people improve their relationships.

We first released this conversation four years ago, and it’s still one of our favorite episodes. The information shared continues to be a great resource for all of us as we head into the holidays and are knee-deep in the sometimes messy but always meaningful work of family relationships.

In this episode, you’ll hear:

• The five R’s that destroy relationships
• How to get out of common unhealthy cycles
• The benefits God has for us in relationships
• And more!

Find resources mentioned and more in the show notes: jillsavage.org/peggysue-wells-275

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