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Dr. Kinsey Hansen shares her research on the co-construction of psychological safety among leaders and followers in organizations, and gives real world tips on how she’s been integrating followership into her leadership courses.

Kinsey is an Associate Professor at Angelo State University, where she serves as Program Coordinator for the Master of Arts in Administrative Leadership and teaches in the Student Development and Leadership program. She is part of the team that designed and launched ASU's Doctorate of Education in Transformative Leadership, contributing to its structure, curriculum development, and now serving as a dissertation chair. With a career spanning community college and university leadership, Kinsey brings both scholarly expertise and deep practitioner experience to her work

• “Followers shape culture every single day through the choices that they make.”
• “For leaders, the most powerful thing you can do is model followership in your own upward relationships.”
• “What teaches people whether it’s safe to speak up is what happened to the last person that spoke up.”
• “It’s powerful when the student sees the relational nature of the dynamic and identifies just how much followers shape leadership”
• “Once students see that followers influence leaders, they can’t unsee it.”

Episode References

Amy Edmondson, The Fearless Organization

Amy Edmondson, Teaming

Global Followership Conference

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Angelo State University

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Otto Henfling brings a distinctive lead–follow lens to the board–CEO relationship, helping boards govern well and CEOs both lead decisively and follow faithfully in service of mission. He is a consultant and governance advisor in Australia with more than 20 years’ experience in the for-purpose sector, including 15 years as a CEO. He also has over 20 years of board experience, including a substantial period as Chair. He works extensively with boards and CEOs on governance, role clarity, risk, and strategic alignment. Otto is currently completing a PhD exploring trust and followership in human services organisations, examining how leaders and followers sustain common purpose in complex environments.

Episode References

Christian Monö, Why We Follow

S2 E21: Natural Followership - Chris Monö

S4 E4: Collaborationship is our Superpower - Chris Monö

Joseph Rost, Leadership for the Twenty-First Century

Global Followership Conferences

www.globalfollowership.com

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Trusted Leadership Consulting: trustedleadership.com.au

Linked In: www.linkedin.com/in/ottohenfling/

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This is a bonus episode of The Tango Waits For You, a 3-part audio documentary series that tells the story of the first year of building a brand-new tango community in Long Beach, California. It’s both my story, of losing a dream and finding it again, and it’s also a story of dozens of people coming together by chance in a way that feels like it was truly meant to be. It’s a story full of friendship, connection, trust, and discovery, all the things we seek together on the dance floor. Being together in person is so important right now. Whether you dance tango or not, I hope you enjoy these episodes.

Episode 4: Night of Spirits - LB Tango hosts its first ritual milonga for the greater LA tango community, in celebration of Dia de los Muertos.

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“Tar Liom Siar,” written and performed by Moya Brennan, Lynne Earls, and Cormac de Barra. Produced and recorded by Lynne Earls, from the album Timeless.

Long Beach Tango
https://www.sharnafabiano.com/tango

Altar Milonga (Photos by Andrei Andreev)
https://www.sharnafabiano.com/altar-milonga

Elena's Elixirs
https://elenaselixirs.com/

Altar Society Brewing & Coffee Co.
https://altarsocietybrewco.com/

Mike Cokley, Altar Society General Manager
gm@altarbrands.com

Wisdom of the past (by Elena's Elixers)
Ilegal Joven Mezcal • Largo Bay Coquito Liqueur • Cacao Liqueur • Fresh Lime Juice • Ancho Reyes Chile Liqueur • Egg White • Aztec Cacao Bitters

Garnished with fresh nutmeg and floating marigold

From the high deserts of Oaxaca to the sun-warmed shores of the Caribbean, this cocktail traces an invisible thread through the Americas—where every region honors those who came before. In Mexico, marigolds (cempasúchitl) carpet the paths for Día de los Muertos. Guatemala flies giant barriletes for Día de Todos Los Santos. Bolivia shapes bread into guaguas de pan for Día de Todos los Difuntos. Peru, Ecuador, El Salvador—each has its own name, its own ritual, yet all share the same November vigil.

This drink brings together ingredients with no obvious reason to meet, yet they dance in surprising harmony.

Un Abrazo Final (by Elena's Elixers)
Tequila Reposado • Malbec • Fresh Lime Juice • Grenadine • Araceli Marigold Liqueur • Fernet-Branca

Sea salt rim, finished with a spritz of rose and marigold for fragrance

On Día de los Muertos, the veil between worlds grows thin. The living and the dead draw close—not in sorrow, but in celebration, in one final dance of remembrance. This cocktail honors that tender moment when memory becomes presence, when those we've lost feel near enough to touch.

Salt crystallizes like tears along the rim. Fernet-Branca whispers bitter truths of departure. Grenadine holds the sweetness of stolen moments, while Malbec bleeds with the complexity of love and loss. Tequila and marigold become golden offerings, guiding

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