Episodi

  • Market Volatility, Adaptive Leadership & Playing the Long Game (w/ Andrew Ruck)
    Jan 9 2026

    What happens when "being nimble" stops meaning clever marketing tweaks—and starts meaning leadership, discipline, and brutal honesty about what's actually changing week to week?

    In this episode of In Search Of, Dan Barker and Wikimotive Co-Founder Zach Billings sit down with Andrew Ruck, GM of LaFontaine Automotive Group, for a real-world look at what it took to win in 2025—and what it'll take to build even bigger in 2026 and 2027. Andrew breaks down why his team chose to hit the accelerator when others tightened up, how over-communication with customers turned uncertainty (tariffs, inventory swings, EV whiplash) into opportunity, and why vendor relationships succeed or fail based on one critical factor: the person on the other end of the phone.It's a candid conversation about "bridging islands" inside the dealership, building a vendor bench that matches your operating personality, avoiding the trap of 30-day decision-making, and staying ruthlessly aggressive about learning—because in today's market, the dealer who stops learning gets left behind.

    Why Watch
    Win through volatility — why 2025 felt like "a new problem every quarter," and how LaFontaine stayed profitable by adapting faster
    Get aggressive when it's tough — how "bulking up" inventory and leaning in (without fear-mongering) created real momentum
    Choose vendors by people, not pitches — why the account rep often matters more than the logo on the contract
    Stop reporting the news — what dealership leaders actually need from vendor meetings (and how to tell when engagement is dying)
    Bridge the islands — how parts, service, sales, and body shop interconnect—and why communication is the multiplier
    Avoid the 30-day trap — balancing today's urgent goals with the long-term moves that protect brand and market share
    Crawl, walk, run — how 2026 sets up 2027, and why disciplined planning beats constant "panic switching"
    NADA survival guide — how to shop smart, avoid shiny AI wrappers, and not leave with a cart full of stuff you don't need


    If you're a GM, Dealer Principal, or operator trying to scale in a market that refuses to sit still—this one's for you.

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    46 min
  • AI Noise, Market Headwinds & Fact-Checking Vendors (w/ Brooke Furniss)
    Dec 19 2025
    What happens when the "AI revolution" meets the unglamorous reality of dealership operations, OEM programs, and messy data?

    In this new episode of In Search Of, Dan Barker and Wikimotive Co-Founder Zach Billings sit down with Brooke Furniss to cut through the noise and get brutally practical about what actually moves the needle heading into 2026. Together, they unpack why "AI-only" promises and paid "GEO/AEO switches" don't exist, how strong SEO fundamentals (including schema) are still the foundation of visibility, and why most dealerships are being asked to manage far more complexity than any GM or Dealer Principal realistically can. The result is a candid conversation about accountability, ownership, and how dealers can protect the name on the building while making smarter decisions in a down market.

    Why Watch
    • Cut through AI hype: learn why there's no "flip-the-switch" product for AI Overviews/LLMs—and what actually increases your odds of being cited
    • Separate paid from organic: understand why "paid AI placement" isn't SEO, and how vendors blur lines to sell "new" solutions
    • Get schema and fundamentals right: hear why "2013 SEO" best practices still matter—and how to sanity-check what's really implemented
    • Own your data or stay blind: why dealers who don't control their analytics are forced to trust dashboards instead of truth
    • Avoid panic changes in Q4: how market headwinds can make great marketing look "flat," and why changing too many variables at once breaks diagnosis
    • Break out of OEM handcuffs: what's driving the surge in dealers exploring off-program solutions, dual-site strategies, and co-op tradeoffs
    • Build real accountability: why leadership can't be the expert in everything—and the case for a trusted, objective partner who protects the store first
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    37 min
  • INSIGHTS | MRC 2025 Recap - November 2025
    Nov 24 2025
    In this episode of 'In Search of...Insights', Dan Barker and Wikimotive Co-Founder Zach Billings break down their biggest takeaways from MRC 2025 — from real-world tech adoption to AI myths, dealership education, and why so many stores are still chasing "level 47" when they haven't mastered levels 1–4.
    This conversation pulls back the curtain on what dealers are actually doing with advanced technologies, how CXO thinking is bleeding into the broader conference ecosystem, and why a long-term strategic horizon is the difference between spinning your wheels and building real competitive advantage. Zach also recaps the AI search study that fueled his Keynote, why LLMs remain a non-factor in transactional search behavior, and the costly risks dealers face when they misallocate focus and resources toward premature AI claims.

    Why Listen?
    • Understand why dealers are finally moving past theoretical "innovation theater" and into real implementation
    • See how leading groups are integrating platforms vertically across the dealership for actual decision-making
    • Learn how CXO-level insights are elevating conversations at MRC and DMSC
    • Get clarity on how education, not tools, is driving the biggest shifts in automotive
    • Hear Zach's breakdown of AI myths, dealership misconceptions, and the real behavior patterns behind LLM vs Google search
    • Discover why chasing "step 47" tech is derailing fundamentals like CTAs, processes, and actual customer experience
    • Walk away with a clear understanding of what deserves dealer attention in 2025 — and what doesn't
    About 'In Search of...Insights'
    A monthly, no-fluff snapshot of the automotive marketing landscape — designed for dealership stakeholders, management, and marketers who want clarity, not hype. Subscribe to get data-driven insights and candid conversations delivered straight to your feed.
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    13 min
  • INSIGHTS | AI in Context - November 2025
    Nov 14 2025

    Can Atlas Really Change the Car-Buying Journey?

    In this episode of In Search of Insights, Dan Barker and Wikimotive Co-Founder Zach Billings unpack the hype surrounding OpenAI's newly released Atlas - and what (if anything) it means for automotive dealers right now. Is Atlas the beginning of a fundamental shift in how shoppers discover, research, and buy vehicles? Or is it just another AI headline with no real-world impact… yet? Dan and Zach dive deep into LLM adoption, schema problems across dealership websites, consumer behavior inside LLMs vs Google search, and the realities behind OEM claims about AI.

    Why Watch

    • Understand the real status of Atlas - beyond the headlines
    • Learn why LLM-powered shopping journeys still break down at the transaction stage
    • See how schema failures across ALL major automotive website platforms impact LLM accuracy
    • Get clarity on why Google's AI Overviews aren't the threat many OEMs are claiming
    • Hear early insights from upcoming MRC research on LLM vs Google traffic, conversions, and behavior
    • Walk away with a grounded understanding of what's real, what's hype, and what actually matters heading into 2025

    In This Episode

    00:00 – Intro: Welcome to In Search of Insights

    00:40 – First impressions of Atlas: breakthrough or nothing-burger?

    03:05 – Why big AI announcements rarely change anything immediately

    05:10 – Adoption barriers: devices, OS limitations, and early access friction

    07:45 – Schema 101: what it is and why dealers should care

    10:15 – The wetsuit test: when LLMs misread product data

    12:25 – Automotive inventory problems: transient data and broken LLM links

    14:50 – The real consumer path: LLM for research, Google for transaction

    17:20 – How shoppers refine choices inside an LLM (truck research example)

    20:10 – Why 90–99% of consumers still return to Google to complete the journey

    22:40 – Early study preview: LLM traffic vs Google vs Bing across 150 dealerships

    24:50 – OEM messaging vs reality: the truth about Google AIO usage

    27:00 – Trust factors: why consumers prefer organic results over AI answers

    28:35 – The rush to "newer = better" and the consequences for automotive

    30:10 – Closing thoughts & preview of MRC discussion

    31:17 – Episode wrap-up

    About In Search of Insights

    A monthly, no-fluff snapshot of the automotive marketing landscape - designed for dealership stakeholders, management, and marketers who want clarity, not hype.

    Subscribe to get data-driven insights and candid conversations delivered straight to your feed.

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    31 min
  • Data Leaks, Dealer Fatigue & the Education Void (w/ Brian Pasch)
    Nov 7 2025
    What happens when the automotive industry's biggest blind spots finally get called out?

    In this new episode of In Search Of, Dan Barker and Wikimotive Co-Founder Zach Billings sit down with Brian Pasch - author, researcher, conference founder, and one of automotive retail's most respected voices.Together, they unpack what's actually hurting dealership performance today: bloated websites, missing ASC events, broken measurement, AI hype cycles, and an industry-wide lack of continuing education. This conversation is an unfiltered look at the uncomfortable truths dealers need to face - and the actions leaders can take right now to get ahead.

    Why Watch
    • Learn why dealer websites have become overloaded - and how extra GTM containers, scripts, and legacy tools quietly destroy performance
    • Understand ASC compliance: which vendors support it, which don't, and how the lack of standards breaks measurement, CDPs, and OEM reporting
    • See why most CTA stacks fail (and which CTAs actually convert on SRP + VDP)
    • Hear why 20 Groups often become echo chambers - and what true education and innovation should look like
    • Get a candid breakdown of AI in retail: what's real today, what's smoke, and how many AI tools a dealership can realistically manage
    • Learn the mindset shift every GM and marketing leader needs to make to survive data-driven retail
    In This Episode
    00:00 – Introductions
    01:00 – Why dealer websites became cluttered and overloaded
    03:00 – GTM containers, scripts, site speed, and data leaks
    05:10 – CTA simplification, mobile UX problems, and consumer confusion
    08:05 – Why Schedule Test Drive performs poorly and how to measure CCR
    10:55 – How vendor add ons create bloat and why removal rarely happens
    13:15 – ASC adoption, vendor resistance, and data transparency issues
    17:05 – OEM programs, politics, and why key tools fail to support ASC
    20:40 – GA4 experience gaps among vendors and why half compliant tools cause problems
    23:55 – Pop ups, early leads, and how CRM attribution gets distorted
    26:40 – Why dealers still lack accurate analytics across their stack
    28:20 – The education gap in automotive and why NADA programs are falling behind
    31:10 – Conference attendance, learning culture, and the 30 day cycle trap
    34:00 – Twenty groups as echo chambers vs true innovation networks
    36:45 – Data skills GMs absolutely need today
    38:35 – AI realities, hype cycles, and findings from upcoming voice AI research
    41:25 – How many AI tools a dealership can actually manage
    42:40 – Final thoughts and where to follow Brian Pasch

    About In Search Of
    A candid, data-driven podcast for dealership leaders and marketers who want clarity - not hype.
    Each episode features conversations with industry experts who cut through the noise and reveal the truths shaping modern automotive retail.
    Subscribe to stay informed on SEO, AI, analytics, and the strategies that actually drive dealership performance.
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    44 min
  • PMax Reality, AI Objectivity & GA4 Triggers (w/ George Nenni)
    Oct 17 2025
    What happens when you cut through the hype and look at what's actually driving dealership performance?
    In this new episode of In Search Of, Dan Barker and Wikimotive Co-Founder Zach Billings sit down with George Nenni, Founder of Generations Digital and one of automotive retail's leading digital minds. Together, they unpack the myths, metrics, and realities behind Google Performance Max, GA4 reporting, and the growing influence of AI in automotive marketing.Why Watch
    • Understand what PMax really is — and why Google's "Happy Meal" approach is costing dealers money
    • Learn how to identify bot traffic and fake conversions in GA4
    • See what triggers actually reveal shopping behavior vs. vanity clicks
    • Get the facts on AI-driven traffic and how much impact ChatGPT and Gemini really have
    • Hear practical advice for holding vendors accountable and cutting wasted ad spend
    In This Episode
    00:00 – Introductions
    01:35 – Background: Dealer Specialties → Generations Digital
    05:35 – Demystifying digital
    07:35 – GA4 light bulb: UTMs + triggers
    11:35 – Visual reporting, quick context
    14:05 – Vendor accountability & prep
    17:35 – Bot traffic signals (incl. PMax)
    22:35 – Where PMax helps: VLAs, Maps
    26:35 – Budget sanity: paid search ranges
    29:35 – PMax defined ("Happy Meal")
    35:35 – CPC swings & weekly tuning
    39:05 – AI + SEO reality today
    42:35 – Traffic ratios: Google/Bing/ChatGPT
    47:05 – Informational vs transactional SEO
    49:35 – Practical AI uses (BDC, service, content)
    52:05 – Rapid Fire
    53:05 – Next 6–9 months focus
    53:35 – Where to find George About In Search Of
    A candid, data-driven podcast for dealership leaders and marketers who want clarity — not hype.
    Each episode features conversations with industry experts who cut through the noise and uncover the truths shaping modern automotive retail.
    Subscribe to stay informed on SEO, AI, analytics, and accountability in automotive marketing.
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    54 min
  • INSIGHTS | AI in Context - October 2025
    Oct 3 2025
    Can AI really handle your dealership's SEO?
    In this first episode of In Search of Insights — a new spinoff of the In Search Of podcast — Wikimotive Co-Founder Zach Billings joins Dan Barker to unpack the realities vs. misconceptions surrounding generative AI in automotive marketing.Why Watch
    • Understand where AI tools actually fit into dealership marketing workflows
    • Learn why AI content can't simply replace human SEO strategy
    • See how Google's AI Overviews are impacting blog traffic and search behavior
    • Get a preview of real data from ongoing studies into LLM behavior, content performance, and consumer search habits
    • Walk away with clarity on what matters heading into Q4 — not just hype
    In This Episode
    00:00 – Intro: Welcome to In Search of Insights
    01:00 – Zach's preferred LLM & why switching is a pain
    05:15 – Early AI in automotive: From Anabot to GPT-3.5 hype
    10:30 – Why early AI SEO claims were overblown
    15:40 – What's actually changed (and what hasn't) in AI + search
    19:35 – Google Analytics blog traffic drops & AI Overviews
    23:10 – Human content vs. AI content: what Google actually respects
    25:55 – Learning to prompt vs. learning to search
    31:00 – LLMs vs. Google: different tools, different roles
    36:05 – Common dealership misconceptions about AI content
    40:05 – Upcoming studies: content length, transactional search, and LLM data
    41:25 – Wrap-up & looking ahead to MRC presentationAbout In Search of Insights
    A monthly, no-fluff snapshot of the automotive marketing landscape — designed for dealership stakeholders, management, and marketers who want clarity, not hype.
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    42 min
  • Local Legacy, Proven Performance & the Human Factor (w/ Patrick Downes)
    Sep 8 2025
    In this episode of In Search Of…, Dan Barker is joined by Zach Billings (Co-Founder, Wikimotive) and Patrick Downes of Ruge's Automotive Group to uncover how a family-owned dealership competes — and thrives — in today's mega-group marketplace.From reputation management (1,500+ reviews at 4.9 stars!) to smart use of third-party automotive sites, SEO vs. SEM strategy, and where AI in automotive marketing actually helps, Patrick shares a playbook that's just as relevant for metro dealers as it is for small-town rooftops.

    What you'll learn:
    • How a lean two-person marketing team drives outsized results
    • Why dealership customer experience is a competitive advantage
    • The role of reputation management for dealerships in sales growth
    • Post-COVID consumer behavior and third-party marketplace value
    • What vendors + agencies can do better for dealership leadership teams
    Whether you're looking to refine your dealership marketing strategy, sell more cars, or build a reputation that compounds, this episode delivers actionable takeaways.And if you're looking to sell more cars, visit Wikimotive for more insights into SEO, SEM, and Social Advertising, and a better understanding of the white glove services that we offer.

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    52 min