The second halfish of my conversation with Albert Ailey. We continue to debate mentors, good vs bad, and open up more about the mistakes we made.

Albert Ailey - friend, chosen family really, colleague, partner - joins us to pick up the story of restaurant ownership we have been discussing the last several weeks. We get into how a great listener can use that ability for their own gains. This episode has been split into two because of length. Look for the second half, out soon.

Special Guest this week, Therese Van Brunt. We talk about the personal cost of unchecked emotions. We hear exactly how Therese dealt with it when it Joe was loosing his cool. Then, an apology 15 years in the making.

We all think we are the heroes of our own stories. But what happen when you find out you are a hero at all? This is the story of the one experience that has shaped the last 15 years, told honestly and in his own voice.