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Di: Ria Windcaller: Award-winning Cidermaker Podcaster | Craft Beer Columnist
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 Interviewing cidermakers importers, orchardists, foodies, farmers and cider enthusiasts around the world. Let's delve into the semantics of cider…or is it hard cider, cidre, sidra or fermented apple juice? The truth is out there in Ciderville and we are going to find it. We toast in celebration of cider; As a libation, a gift from the gods, a taste of terroir, and a hard pressed good time. Ready to quench your thirst? Grab a glass and join this chat! See you in Ciderville!© Cider Chat 2014- 2025 Arte Cucina Enogastronomia Scienze sociali Scrittura e commenti di viaggio
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  • 487: Further Tales of Chocolate Pears

    487: Further Tales of Chocolate Pears
    Jan 21 2026
    In This Episode, We Cover
    • Why Sorbus domestica is often nicknamed "the chocolate pear" (and why that name actually helps people get it)
    • What bletting means, and why sorbs can be delicious before they turn fully brown (depending on the fruit)
    • The "custard stage" vs. fully bletted "medlar-like" stage (and how this relates to cider pressing windows)
    • Ben's sorb travel finds across:
      • Croatia (including fruit for sale at the market + trees growing in yards)
      • Moravia (Czech Republic) — including the Sorbus museum and harvest festival
      • France (sorb hunting with Arnold and tasting cormé/cormé-style ferments)
      • Somerset, UK (a surprise roadside discovery!)
    • Growth habits that can make Sorbus domestica look like an oak
    • Why sorbs may matter in a changing climate:
      • deep root systems
      • drought resistance
      • long lifespan
      • later bloom time (less frost risk)
    • Seed-grown vs grafted sorbs — and why Ben prefers genetic diversity (for now)
    • The surprising reality: sorbs have already been distributed widely in the U.S. through seedlings
    • What's being made with sorbs in Europe:
      • brandy
      • co-ferments with grapes
      • wine experiments

    Time Stamps

    00:00 Introduction to Sorbus Domestica

    00:18 Meet the Podcast Host: Ria Windcaller

    00:52 Exploring Sorbus Domestica: History and Uses

    01:25 Cider Chat Episodes Featuring Sorbus Domestica

    02:39 Sorbus Domestica in France and the US

    04:05 Cider News and Upcoming Events

    07:53 Interview with Ben Kunesh: Chocolate Pears

    08:33 The Unique Characteristics of Sorbus Domestica

    17:25 Sorbus Domestica Around the World

    21:03 The Versatility and Adaptability of Sorbus Domestica

    24:20 The Future of Sorbus Domestica in Orchards

    25:49 Sorbus Domestica: A Historical Perspective

    27:34 Ben's Travels and Discoveries

    34:25 Exploring Sorbus Domestica Variations

    35:30 Propagation Techniques and Genetic Diversity

    37:29 Historical Context and Distribution

    39:50 Nursery and Distribution Efforts

    41:09 European Adventures and Discoveries

    45:30 Tasting Sorbus Domestica Products

    54:23 Future Prospects and Cultivation Tips

    01:00:58 Conclusion and Final Thoughts

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    1 ora e 4 min
  • 486: Apples, Cider, and Community | 450 Years of Cider Culture in Chile

    486: Apples, Cider, and Community | 450 Years of Cider Culture in Chile
    Jan 14 2026
    Recorded live at CiderCon, this episode brings listeners into a rare, in-depth conversation about Chile's living cider tradition—one shaped by more than 450 years of apple fermentation, deep regional biodiversity, and community-based agriculture. Moderated by Eli Shanks, this panel features cider makers, cooperative leaders, and academics from southern Chile who explore how apples arrived, adapted, and endured across Araucanía, Los Ríos, and the Chiloé archipelago. Rather than a "new" cider movement, Chile offers something far rarer: a cider culture that never disappeared. At the heart of the discussion is Chicha—the traditional name for fermented apple beverages in Chile—and the cultural weight that language carries. Panelists unpack how Chicha and cider share the same roots, why heritage orchards matter, and what's at stake as aging farmers, development pressure, and climate change threaten seed-grown apple diversity. Listeners will also hear about: Heritage apple orchards over 100 years old, many grown from seed The role of women as primary stewards of orchards and biodiversity Native fermentation vessels made from Raulí and other Chilean woods Cooperative cider making on the island of Chiloé The challenges of valuing cider beyond "cheap, rural" perceptions The future of Chilean cider on the global stage, including education, competitions, and potential export This episode offers an essential perspective for anyone interested in cider as culture—not trend—and in how place, people, and history shape what ends up in the glass. Panelists & Contributors Eli Shanks – Co-founder, Punta de Fierro Fine Cider; Head Cider Maker, Western Cider Gicella – President, Cooperative Chilwe (Chiloé) René Galindo – Third-generation cider maker, Araucanía Carlos Flores – Co-founder, Punta de Fierro Fine Cider; Orchardist, Valdivia Fabián Lara – Cider & beer consultant; INDAP (Chilean Ministry of Agriculture) José Antonio Aldea – Professor and fermentation educator Key Themes Chilean cider and Chicha traditions Heritage apple orchards and seed-grown ecotypes Women's roles in orchard preservation Cooperative models and island agriculture Native materials and spontaneous fermentation Preserving cider culture in a changing landscape Timestamps ⏱️ Detailed timestamps are listed above to help you jump to specific topics, speakers, and cider discussions. 00:00 Introduction to Chicha and Cider 00:26 News Out and About Ciderville 00:43 Episode Overview: Chilean Cider Panel 03:30 Upcoming Events and Announcements 07:42 Introduction to the Chilean Panel 10:44 Chilean Cider Regions and History 16:11 Traditional Cider Making in Chile 18:11 Modern Chilean Cider and Future Prospects 20:16 Cider Tasting and Panel Discussion 29:32 Consumer Perception of Cider in Chile 30:07 Challenges and Efforts in Differentiation 30:34 Traditional and New World Ciders 31:13 Exciting Apple Varieties and Characteristics 32:19 Naming and Regional Varieties 35:40 Incorporating Local Fruits into Cider 38:09 Historical Context and Apple Lineages 41:47 Fire Blight and Disease Resistance 42:57 Modern vs. Traditional Cider Making 44:15 Collaborations with Winemakers 47:12 Preserving Heritage Apple Orchards 52:10 Forming a Cooperative in Chiloé 54:53 Market Development and Sales Strategies 57:03 Generational Gaps and Preservation Efforts 59:08 Future Goals and International Connections Support Cider Chat® If you value independent, long-form conversations that preserve cider history and amplify global voices, consider supporting Cider Chat® on Patreon. Your support helps keep these stories accessible and the podcast on the air.
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  • 485: Cider as a Catalyst for Chile's Edible Forest

    485: Cider as a Catalyst for Chile's Edible Forest
    Jan 7 2026

    Carlos Flores is an architect, landscape designer, and co-founder of Punta de Fierro Fine Cider. At the 2025 CiderCon in Chicago he presented Carlos presented "Developing An Experimental Edible Forest in a Heritage Apple Orchard." - this episode features his full presentaiton and you will also find his audio synced with all the power point slides at the Cider Chat YouTube Channel.

    Find full shownotes to this episode at https://ciderchat.com/podcast/485-chile-edible-forest-cider/

    00:00 Intro to Cider Chat - news

    00:49 Carlos Flores and the Edible Forest

    01:43 The Rich History of Chilean Cider

    04:03 Upcoming Cider Events and Tours

    08:41 Carlos Flores' Journey and Vision

    18:40 Creating the Edible Forest

    30:59 Bees and Flowers

    31:08 Meteorological Station and Climate Change

    32:24 Community Involvement and Workshops

    33:37 Greenhouse and New Trees

    34:12 Summer School and Neighbor's Orchard

    36:17 Building a Cider House

    37:47 Biofilter and Water Management

    39:32 Community Impact and Economic Development

    41:34 Pruning and Tree Management

    43:14 Future Plans and Experiments

    50:22 Funding and Government Grants

    55:30 Final Thoughts and Conclusion

    Contact info for Carlos of Punta de Fierro Cider

    • Website: https://puntadefierro.cl
    • Listen to Episode 421: Explore the Rich History of Chilean Cider w/Punta de Fierro

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    • CiderCon2026

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