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What defines good parenting and how do you know if you’re doing it right? In the first ten years, we felt like we were exceeding expectations—an A+—even though it was physically and mentally exhausting. There were routines and the satisfaction of giving kids structure. Parenting changes as they get older. Now, it’s about sharing the role, letting them make their own decisions, and shifting into more of a coaching mindset. Parenting is the ultimate freight train ride.

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• In this episode, Cat and Nat explore the complexities of relationships, particularly focusing on the challenges of maintaining intimacy amidst the chaos of parenting. They candidly discuss how their attention is often diverted to their children, leaving little room for romantic connections. Despite this, both express a sense of stability in their marriages, acknowledging that while date nights may not be a priority, their relationships remain strong. The conversation shifts to the importance of human connection, illustrated through a story about a young woman rowing solo across the Atlantic, highlighting the balance between independence and the need for companionship.
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• As the discussion progresses, Cat and Nat delve into the darker side of relationships, touching on the psychology of individuals who commit heinous acts, such as murder. They reflect on how seemingly normal people can harbor dark secrets, emphasizing the importance of understanding the underlying factors that contribute to such behaviors. The episode wraps up with a humorous take on dining experiences, particularly the frustrations of expensive meals and the desire for free bread, showcasing their relatable and light-hearted approach to serious topics.

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