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Do most people misunderstand the true nature of Antizionism?

Dan sits down with renowned computer scientist and public intellectual Judea Pearl to understand why he coined the term “Zionophobia.” Pearl argues that Antizionism is not simply policy criticism but a rejection of Jewish collective sovereignty.

Pearl shares his personal story, that dates back to the founding of Israel, and explains how the murder of his son, Daniel Pearl, and the violence of the Second Intifada have reshaped his thinking about Israel, identity, and moral clarity.

The conversation spans failed peace efforts, the politics of language, the meaning of indigeneity, and Pearl’s warning that Israel’s greatest long-term vulnerability may be the erosion of bipartisan American support.

Read Judea’s book Coexistence and Other Fighting Words

In this episode:

- From AI pioneer to Zionist advocate

- “Zionophobia,” not anti-Semitism

- Terrorism, moral asymmetry, and the Carter controversy

- Why peace efforts failed and what was misunderstood

- Indigeneity, sovereignty, and competing narratives

- Education as the true battlefield

- The bipartisan question and Israel’s strategic future

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For years, normalization between Saudi Arabia and Israel was seen as the ultimate goal of the Abraham Accords and the final step towards unlocking regional stability. But a sharp rivalry is heating up between Saudi Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman and UAE President Mohammed bin Zayed. Dan is joined by Yonatan Adiri and Yael Wissner-Levy to unpack the economic, political, and personal dynamics driving this feud, what it means for Israel, and why India and global energy corridors may matter more than most people realize.

In this episode:

- MBS’s Vision 2030 under pressure and the internal Saudi recalibration

- The Yemen flashpoint that ruptured the Saudi–UAE relationship

- Mentor turned rival: How MBS and MBZ went from alignment to confrontation

- Energy corridors, IMEC, and the India factor

- Is Israel collateral damage or strategically positioned?

- Why UAE’s “infrastructure diplomacy” may be winning quietly

- The future of normalization versus regional integration

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This is a sneak peek from the latest Inside Call me Back, the members-only edition of the podcast. Following Bret Stephens’ controversial “State of the World Jewry” speech, Jonathan Greenblatt, CEO of the Anti-Defamation League, joins Dan to respond directly.

Is the Jewish community overinvested in fighting antisemitism? Did institutions miss the warning signs before October 7? And can Jewish identity flourish without first ensuring Jewish security?

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In the full episode:

Jonathan Greenblatt, CEO of Anti-Defamation League, joins Dan to respond to Brett Stephens’ controversial “State of the World Jewry” speech, which argued that too many Jewish resources are invested in fighting Antisemitism, rather than building a Jewish life. Jonathan, whom Bret called out by name, tells Dan that the two mustn’t be seen as mutually exclusive. The two also discuss whether Jewish institutions should do some soul searching after being blindsided by Oct. 8, whether the Blue Square Alliance Superbowl ad missed the mark, and what the data’s showing about anti-Jewish trends in America.

Read Jonathan’s op-ed, American Jews need both security and identity
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Watch Jonathan’s previous appearance on Call Me Back

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