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How do you lead people who have the agency not to follow you? Dr. Jeff Thompson, inaugural director of BYU’s Sorensen Center for Moral and Ethical Leadership, joins Hank and John to explore Jeremiah’s 40 years of faithful service without success and what his story teaches us about letting go of control, trusting the Lord, and leading through our own unique gifts.

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00:00:00 Welcome

00:01:41 Meet Dr. Jeff Thompson

00:03:51 Jeff's background and bio

00:05:35 Jeff's lead role in a musical

00:09:24 Why Jeremiah is relatable

00:13:56 The Sorensen family's quiet influence

00:16:15 Jeremiah's tough times and tough assignment

00:20:05 Divine identity and unique gifts

00:23:27 Being yourself in the Church

00:28:00 Harmony is being different together

00:31:25 A student's hidden leadership gift

00:34:11 Being gentle with youth who don't fit in

00:38:04 Finding your calling: zookeepers

00:41:54 The Christ-Centered Leader Model

00:44:09 Love, agency, and accountability

00:47:29 Seeing the three principles in Jeremiah

00:49:42 Letting people learn from mistakes

00:52:04 Jeff's mohawk story

00:55:06 Learning through consequences

00:58:09 Leadership that keeps the door open

01:02:04 Love and accountability together

01:06:20 Leading with questions

01:09:17 Why we reach for control

01:13:18 Compliance versus conversion

01:15:38 Grace for parents

01:18:39 The potter and the clay

01:21:37 Growth mindset

01:23:04 A man who changed on death row

01:26:43 Jeremiah's raw honesty

01:29:09 Jeff's dramatic reading

01:33:29 Faith and pain together

01:35:46 Leadership measured by faithfulness

01:37:40 Jeff's story about his children

01:41:12 Giving the burden to the Savior

01:43:22 Hope for families in the middle of it

01:45:53 "Church is still in them"

01:48:54 Control is the opposite of faith

01:51:04 Jeremiah will be okay

01:52:29 Why Jeff returns to scripture

01:54:48 Where real power comes from

01:57:33 Closing thanks

01:59:22 End of Episode - Dr. Jeff Thompson

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Jesus opened his ministry by reading Isaiah, and the congregation tried to throw him off a cliff. Sharon Eubank, author of Doing Small Things with Great Love and a 29-year veteran of Church humanitarian work, joins Hank and John to explore Isaiah 61 and what it means to build a Zion heart by serving the people right in front of us, and by humbly letting others serve us.

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00:00 Welcome

04:51 Sharon Eubank’s bio

07:42 Dad, the weatherman

16:11 Beauty for ashes

19:11 Still being fulfilled

23:56 "I'm a minister now"

27:02 Loss and making heaven out of hell

31:50 Isaiah pleads for the poor

35:03 Can money heal society?

38:26 The Tadesse family in Ethiopia

41:48 Hope changes communities

44:33 Small things with great love

47:34 Fast offerings and Katrina

51:12 Self-reliance and Pathway

54:48 Where the money goes

57:25 What can I do right now?

60:44 C.S. Lewis and the people in front of us

63:11 "I'm going to fast for you"

68:11 The dark temple

71:04 “Arise and shine forth”

75:32 Airplanes and temple lights

78:51 Zion and the Nebraska hay

82:42 A gospel for everybody

86:43 What's working for you?

89:35 The humility to receive

93:04 For those in pain

97:12 Full circle to Nazareth

101:28 Closing

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If you feel farther from the Lord today than you did yesterday, guess who moved? Dr. Ezra Gwilliam explores Isaiah 50-57, from the suffering servant who was “attacked” by the sins of humankind to the Lord’s tender promise to gather every outcast.

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What if God, who holds oceans in His hand, is more concerned with your fear than your failures? Dr. S. Michael Wilcox joins Hank and John to explore Isaiah 40-49, weaving personal loss, a vivid vision of divine judgment, and the promise that God never grows discouraged with those who are honestly trying.

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00:00 Beginning of Episode - Dr. S. Michael Wilcox

2:31 Shut the left brain, turn on the right

6:52 Liken the words of Isaiah

9:02 Introducing Dr. S. Michael Wilcox

11:25 “Comfort ye, my people”

13:58 “A voice crying in the wilderness”

17:05 “Behold your God”

19:11 Michael wasn’t a great runner

22:04 Who hath measured the waters

25:15 It’s the invitation to intimacy

28:33 When God feels far away

32:29 Kind, not just powerful

33:38 I have a B+ personality

38:15 Holding your hand through it

41:41 He won’t break what’s already bruised

45:21 Justice, not condemnation

48:03 Trusting the one leading you

50:02 The Waiting Room

53:13 I’ll go in with you

57:13 I won’t remember your sins

59:39 Someone pleading on your behalf

1:00:04 A judgment meant to be pleasant

1:04:01 The greatest discovery of life

1:07:10 God loves me

1:10:26 A blessing poured on your children

1:13:01 You will not be forgotten

1:16:40 The god you carry vs. the God who carries you

1:20:15 Babylon falls, Zion rises

1:25:15 Babylon’s false confidence

1:29:31 Make room, you’re going to need it

1:33:42 Peace that never stops moving

1:38:29 Send THIS to your teen

1: 40:03 Fed in the highest places

1:43:03 A love that won’t forget you

1:45:21 Look at how many are coming

1:49:18 Carried by others

1:55:00 It’s not a race, we’re going gently

1:57:35 End of Episode - Dr. S. Michael Wilcox

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Why does a good God allow the desert–and why does he wait so long to bring us out of it? Kathryn Davis examines Isaiah’s message of destruction and restoration, showing how Christ’s role as both “restorer” and “repairer” offers a framework for trusting God’s timing even when prayers go unanswered.

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00:00 Beginning of Episode - Kathryn Davis

00:28 A Marvelous Work and a Wonder

00:54 Welcome and Intro

2:26 Finding Jesus Christ in difficult Isaiah chapters

5:43 Meet Kathryn Davis

8:18 Jesus Christ as Restorer

10:27 Inviting the Holy Ghost into our learning

13:04 Why Jesus asks us to Study Isaiah

16:53 Slow Down

19:21 Isaiah 12–Trust and do not be afraid

21:14 Babylon as a symbol and a burden

25:40 Natural consequences and a God who still restores

29:57 Pride and trusting ourselves instead of God

31:08 “God’s not worried about my son”

33:45 Isaiah 14–After scattering comes gathering

38:10 Jesus Christ–the Repairer of the breach

42:32 The fall of Babylon and Lucifer

45:57 Stop looking elsewhere to be saved

47:26 The gospel is simple–Choose Him

50:07 The Stripling Warriors were all wounded

52:59 Recognizing Christ by His scars

54:35 Who are you going to trust?

59:12 the Assyrian army approaches Jerusalem

1:02:56 Shebna, Eliakim, and “the nail in the sure place”

1:07:44 The God of the 4th Watch

1:09:55 Why does God sometimes wait?

1:13:20 Saved in the fire, not from it

1:17:51 Comfortable gods and divine discontent

1:21:38 Apostasy, restoration, and the gospel feast

1:26:50 Perfect peace–Where are you looking?

1:29:40 Trust the plan and its Maker

1:32:18 Gathered, repaired, and rescued one-by-one

1:36:49 “A voice speaking from the dust”

1:39:27 A marvelous work

1:42:21 The power is in the words

1:45:19 The Lord will wait, that He may be gracious

1:47:31 Isaiah points us toward a Person

1:48:23 The desert is not the end

1:50:04 I will trust

1:52:08 Closing thoughts and testimony

1:53:05 End of Episode - Kathryn Davis

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What if understanding Isaiah begins with understanding the world he was trying to save? Dr. Jeffrey Chadwick explores Isaiah 1-12 through history, archaeology, and Hebrew, revealing how Assyrian conquest, the scattering and gathering of Israel, and Isaiah’s prophetic calling illuminate his message of warning, covenant, and hope.

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00:00 Introduction: Why Israel?

5:03 Seeing the Great Isaiah Scroll

7:16 How the Book of Isaiah is Organized

10:28 Isaiah, Israel, and Our Covenant Identity

13:50 Where are the Lost Tribes?

16:18 Missionary Work is Gathering Israel

20:55 What Does It Mean to Be Gathered?

23:26 The Three Assyrian Attacks

27:14 Isaiah, Nephi, and the Book of Mormon

30:36 How to Understand Isaiah

34:09 Lost Israel Forgot Who They Were

36:14 Read Isaiah in Its Original Context

39:14 Isaiah is a “Glass Onion”

42:25 Jerusalem: A Shack in an Empty Field

45:35 “Wash You, Make You Clean”

49:28 God Does Not Give Up on Israel

54:57 One Isaiah or Multiple Authors

58:37 “Repent or Die” and “Be Comforted”

1:01:18 Isaiah 2: The Great Jerusalem Temple Prophecy

1:04:32 The Mountain of the Lord’s House

1:08:22 All Nations Flow to the Temple

1:11:17 Likening Isaiah to Latter-day Temples

1:14:01 Isaiah 11-12: The Other Bookend

1:16:51 The Branch and the Coming Messiah

1:18:42 An Ensign and the Gathering of Israel

1:21:38 Ephraim, Judah, and the Gathering

1:24:03 Jews and the House of Israel

1:27:47 Isaiah’s Prophecies and Their Layers

1:30:33 Isaiah 6: Isaiah’s First Vision

1:33:33 “Here am I, Send Me”

1:38:02 Hebrew, Translation, and Hardened Hearts

1:41:30 Seeing, Hearing, and Being Healed

1:43:22 The Assyrian Sling Stone

1:49:33 Isaiah’s Mission and Ours

1:55:45 Beauty for Ashes: Final Thoughts

1:08:54 - Dr. Jeffrey Chadwick

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Dr. Adam Miller examines how Ecclesiastes dismantles our illusions about success, happiness, and desire and points us toward the surprising freedom found in sacrifice and the life of Jesus Christ.

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0:24 Happiness Depends on Wisdom
2:10 Loving the Idea of Love
4:09 Jesus and the Wisdom Tradition
8:03 The Despair of Winning
11:07 The Ghost of Special Adam
13:12 Ecclesiastes is Hard Medicine
16:12 Vanity of Vanities
18:29 Hopeless About Everything Else
20:43 Nothing New Under the Sun
23:19 Chasing the Wind
25:16 What If You Got Everything
27:41 Success Still Doesn’t Satisfy
30:21 Hope in Jesus Alone
31:41 To Everything a Season
34:37 Human, Animal, and Divine
37:32 Why We Need Jesus Christ
39:12 Sacrifice Everything
40:46 The Rich Young Ruler
43:40 Charity is the Difference
45:17 Breaking up the Transactional Gospel
47:22 Take Up Christ’s Life
49:17 Remember Your Creator
51:01 Divine Melancholy
53:44 End of Part 2 - Dr. Adam Miller



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What if wisdom isn’t about loss but learning how to meet it? Dr. Adam Miller explores Proverbs and Ecclesiastes and examines how correction, sacrifice, and seeing reality clearly lead us beyond conventional wisdom to the unconventional wisdom of Jesus Christ.

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3:35 The Art of Losing
5:36 Where Wisdom Arises
7:54 The Foolishness of God
11:05 A Philosopher Reads Scripture
13:44 Scripture is Ongoing Conversation
16:49 Trust Beyond Knowledge
18:10 The Bible’s Wisdom Books
21:22 Why Ecclesiastes Belongs
23:57 Job Doesn’t Get Answers
25:28 Hungry and Wondering
27:42 Everything is Futile
30:39 Seeing What We Avoid
32:51 Jesus Faces Loss
35:29 Wisdom in the Book of Mormon
36:48 Wisdom is Better Than Rubies
40:05 Wisdom Personified as a Woman
42:24 Are We Willing to Be Corrected
45:01 When the Truth Feels Hard
47:15 Loving Being Duped
50:32 Paying to Deceived
51:57 The Price of Real Wisdom
53:34 Trust in the Lord
55:52 With All Thy Getting
57:50 The Path of the Just
59:33 Wisdom Comes Through Doing
1:01:17 Lose Your Soul to Save It
1:05:07 Turn Left to Go Right
1:08:54 End of Part 1 - Dr. Adam Miller


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