Is Elizabeth Holmes a manipulative mastermind, a deeply broken person, or both at the same time? Let's find out!

In this very spoiler-heavy episode, we unpack You Can See Everything, the new documentary from Nathan Fielder and Lance Oppenheim about Elizabeth Holmes, for a messy and fun conversation about truth, performance, who's shaping the story, and why. Honestly we could have gone another hour... maybe we will. We're not sure.

We dig into how our read on Holmes kept shifting from scene to scene, why turning anyone into a one-dimensional villain gets in the way of understanding how harm happens, what it means when the people on camera know they’re being watched, and how Nathan Fielder’s style makes us question everything. We also talk about the trauma, control, and manipulation threaded through her story, and why naming that context explains without excusing.

Content note: this episode includes discussion of sexual assault (roughly 15:30 to 22:50) and contains many spoilers.

00:00 - Introduction & Spoiler Warning
00:41 - What We Knew About Elizabeth Holmes and Nathan Fielder Going In
11:45 - Who's On First?
15:28 - The Revelation From Her Father and Multiple Truths at Once
22:53 - One-Dimensional Villains, Bad Blood, and Where Belief Became Fraud
29:36 - Let's Talk About Billy, the Eggs, and Folie à Deux
37:37 - The Tweets, the Gag Gift, and Amanda Seyfried
47:26 - Scripted Showdowns, Trailer vs. Final Cut, and the "I Trust You" Call
51:19 - The Ending

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