In our current “world between worlds,” many of us are searching for certainty. Is the real invitation learning how to lead through the unknown?

In this thoughtful conversation, Lis Best sits down with ritualist, cultural transformation facilitator, leadership coach, and We Are The Great Turning podcast host and creator Jess Serrante to explore liminality—the space between what was and what’s becoming.

Jess shares the teachings of her mentor, Joanna Macy, the philosophy behind The Work That Reconnects, and why this moment in history calls for a different kind of leadership rooted in integrity, belonging, and collective responsibility.

Together, they discuss how to navigate uncertainty, foster matriarchy, move beyond individualism, change systems, and lead with integrity during times of personal and societal transformation.

If you're experiencing a life transition, questioning old systems, or searching for hope in a rapidly changing world, this conversation offers nurturing words, wisdom, perspective, and practical ways to embrace possibility in the unknown.

Listen to the episode on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Google Podcasts, YouTube, or on your favorite podcast platform.

Episode Outline:

[05:30] Defining liminality and the transformational power of threshold moments

[09:26] The three stories shaping our current world

[11:20] Introducing The Great Turning and Joanna Macy’s legacy

[22:05] Jess’s journey from climate activist to coach and facilitator

[39:30] Leading through uncertainty, complexity, and change

[40:00] Reframing disruption and the possibility hidden inside uncertainty

[42:05] The myth of individualism and importance of belonging

[44:40] Moving beyond the hero’s journey toward collective leadership

[46:29] Finding hope in uncertainty and possibility

Connect with Us:

• Lis Best's website
• Learn more about the Girls Club Collective
• Connect with Girls Club Collective and Lis Best on LinkedIn
• Join the next GCC Community Power Hour
• Inquire about coaching with Lis

Jess Serrante Info:

• Follow Jess Serrante on Linkedin
• Follow Jess Serrante on Substack
• Jess Serrante’s website
• Tune into We Are the Great Turning

This episode was post-produced and edited by Yanina Mora.

The intro and outro music was created and produced by Daniel Mark.

About Lis:

Lis Best is an executive coach for impact leaders, founder of the Girls Club Collective, and host of the Women Changing the World podcast.

Since launching her business in 2020, Lis has helped hundreds of leaders navigate ESG and sustainability careers, launch heart-centered businesses, and become more effective change agents.

You can spend years building a “dream life”… and one day realize your soul is craving a new adventure. What happens when you leave behind the life you worked years to build and say yes to a completely different dream?

In this inspiring episode of Women Changing the World Podcast, Lis Best sits down with adventurer, writer, sailor, and strategic communications consultant Stephanie Dolmat to explore what it means to radically trust yourself and say yes to a new dream.

Stephanie shares the story of leaving corporate sustainability behind to sail across the Pacific Ocean, become the captain of her own sailboat, and build a life rooted in creativity, community, feminine leadership, and freedom. Together, they unpack fear, courage, asking for help, embracing uncertainty, and creativity as a compass and guide.

If you’ve been craving more adventure, alignment, or courage in your own life, this conversation is for you.

Listen to the episode on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Google Podcasts, YouTube, or on your favorite podcast platform.

Episode Outline:

• [02:05] Why Stephanie left a career in corporate sustainability to pursue a more adventurous and creative life
• [08:56] What it was really like sailing 4,000 miles across the Pacific Ocean to French Polynesia
• [17:37] How to feel fear, face uncertainty, and still say yes to the life calling you forward
• [19:38] Stephanie’s perspective on feminine leadership, community, and becoming the captain of her sailboat
• [27:16] Why allowing opportunities to come to you can create an abundant and aligned business
• [30:03] How to cultivate a creativity practice that feels expansive, joyful, and deeply human
• [35:53] Stephanie’s favorite quotes on creativity, transformation, and self-expression
• [38:16] What Stephanie is calling in next as she continues building a life of adventure

Connect with Us:

• Lis Best's website
• Learn more about the Girls Club Collective
• Connect with Girls Club Collective and Lis Best on LinkedIn
• Join the next GCC Community Power Hour
• Inquire about coaching with Lis

Stephanie Dolmat Info:

• Subscribe to the Sea Witch Diaries on Substack
• Follow Stephanie on Linkedin

This episode was post-produced and edited by Yanina Mora.

The intro and outro music was created and produced by Daniel Mark.

About Lis:

Lis Best is an executive coach for impact leaders, founder of the Girls Club Collective, and host of the Women Changing the World podcast.

Since launching her business in 2020, Lis has helped hundreds of leaders navigate ESG and sustainability careers, launch heart-centered businesses, and become more effective change agents.

What if the future isn’t about putting more women at the top of patriarchy — but imagining an entirely new system rooted in care, interdependence, restoration and collective well-being?

What would the future look like if our systems were designed around care instead of extraction?

In this expansive and thought-provoking conversation, Lis Best sits down with Radical Futures founder and creative director Tracee Worley to explore what it means to imagine — and build — a matriarchal future.

Together, they unpack why hustle culture and “girl boss” feminism often keep us trapped inside broken systems — and how imagination, creativity and collective care can open the door to entirely new possibilities so we can reclaim our power.

Tracee also shares the inspiration behind her “Artifacts from a Matriarchal Future” workshops, in which participants create tangible objects, rituals and systems from a future centered on care, justice, healing and regeneration.

If you’re interested in systems change, feminist futures, regenerative leadership or building a more human-centered world, this conversation will leave you feeling inspired about what’s possible and what’s already on its way out.

Listen to the episode on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Google Podcasts, YouTube, or on your favorite podcast platform.

Episode Outline:

• [06:43] How Tracee transitioned from teaching and social work into futurism, experience design and reimagining broken systems
• [12:22] What matriarchy actually means — and why it’s not simply “patriarchy with women in charge.”
• [16:44] Why imagination, rest and creativity are essential tools for building regenerative futures
• [24:52] Inside Tracee’s “Artifacts from a Matriarchal Future” workshops and game, helping people imagine new systems
• [32:28] How restorative justice, grandmothers and community wisdom could reshape the future of accountability
• [39:07] The powerful Indigenous teaching that “we are the law” — and what it means for reclaiming power
• [41:31] How Tracee balances realism, grief, hope and collective responsibility against a backdrop of polycrisis

Connect with Us:

• Lis Best's website
• Learn more about the Girls Club Collective
• Connect with Girls Club Collective and Lis Best on LinkedIn
• Join the next GCC Community Power Hour
• Inquire about coaching with Lis

Tracee Worley Info:

• Follow Tracee on Linkedin
• Visit the Radical Futures website
• Receive Dispatches from the Future
• Join an upcoming Radical Futures workshop

This episode was post-produced and edited by Yanina Mora.

The intro and outro music was created and produced by Daniel Mark.

About Lis:

Lis Best is an executive coach for impact leaders, founder of the Girls Club Collective, and host of the Women Changing the World podcast.

Since launching her business in 2020, Lis has helped hundreds of leaders navigate ESG and sustainability careers, launch heart-centered businesses, and become more effective change agents