In this episode, DEI strategist Khayshie Tilak Ramesh shares her journey from a childhood experience of being “othered” to becoming a leading voice in creating more inclusive spaces. She demystifies intersectionality - how overlapping systems of oppression create unique experiences of discrimination – and explores how we can address compounded marginalisation. The conversation dives deep into shifting from non-racism to active anti-racism, with practical insights on indifference and neutrality, and navigating entrenched workplace resistance. Khayshie shares tangible strategies for navigating difficult DEI conversations, from understanding the interests behind a person’s position to the art of “calling in” versus “calling out” discriminatory systems. She reflects on the personal cost of advocacy, the tension between being bold versus palatable, and why rest is resistance - not a luxury.

For anyone committed to building a more equitable world, this episode offers both the conceptual framework and actionable tools to move from awareness to meaningful action.

Chapters:

00:00 - Introduction

01:44 - The Journey of Otherness

07:22 - Understanding Intersectionality

20:33 - The Distinction Between Non-Racist and Anti-Racist

36:31 - Negotiation: Interests vs. Positions

41:13 - Navigating the Movable Middle in Advocacy

44:58 - The Challenge of Being a DEI Strategist

49:02 - Balancing Boldness and Palatability in Advocacy

53:01 - Understanding Advocacy Burnout

01:01:35 - Being comfortable with No in Self-Advocacy

01:05:22 - Valuing Stories and Knowledge Beyond Books

01:08:29 - Redefining the Narrative of Migrants

01:12:01 - Authenticity in Advocacy and Representation

01:16:52 - Conclusion

Resources mentioned:

1. “Invisible Women” by Caroline Criado Perez
2. “Why Are All the Black Kids Sitting Together in the Cafeteria?” by Beverly Daniel Tatum
3. “Getting to Yes” by Fisher and Ury

Connect with Khayshie:

LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/khayshie/

Website: https://khayshie.com/

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