A walk-and-talk on fitness, burnout, identity, and why discipline doesn’t work for everyone. Dan and Kim explore motivation, representation in movement, ADHD-friendly structure, and how redefining “training” can unlock joy, creativity, and sustainability in both work and life. walk in the park louder

In this episode of Where Are We Heading?, which was filmed at the end of 2025; Dan and Kim head out for a slow walk - sore legs, tired bodies, and full minds - to talk honestly about motivation, burnout, and what it really means to look after yourself as a creative person.

They unpack why traditional ideas of discipline often fail ADHD brains, how reframing structure as training or fun can change everything, and why representation in fitness and movement matters more than we realise. Kim shares a powerful reflection on seeing her body reflected in the people she trains with - and how that unlocked motivation she didn’t know she was missing.

The conversation moves through grief, work, energy, money, and value - including Dan’s evolving approach to artist management, mentoring, coaching, and sustainable creative careers after burnout. There’s no fixed roadmap here - just two friends thinking out loud, finding their footing, and reminding each other (and you) that it’s okay to go slow.

This one’s for anyone trying to build a creative life that doesn’t cost them their body or their wellbeing. walk in the park louder

Key Themes & Takeaways

• Reframing discipline: why “training” or “fun-structure” works better than punishment

• ADHD & motivation: why timing, energy, and enjoyment matter more than willpower

• Representation in movement: seeing bodies like yours changes everything

• Burnout recovery isn’t linear: and sometimes takes a year, not a month

• Fitness as regulation: movement as meditation, not productivity

• Creative sustainability: valuing your time, energy, and experience properly

• Hybrid working models: mentoring, coaching, consultancy as a flexible alternative to traditional management

• Choosing your hard: creative work is hard - but not doing it is hard too

  
  

Links

Dan Garber Management offerings - ⁠https://www.taperec.com/consultancy⁠

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Bottega Caruso - https://www.bottegacaruso.com/

LULLABY charity single- ⁠⁠https://linktr.ee/T4Plive⁠⁠ / ⁠⁠https://www.instagram.com/t4plive⁠⁠

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In this episode of Where Are We Heading?, Kim and Dan walk with Zoë Carassik, CEO of Pie Factory Music.

Zoë reflects on her own journey through youth arts spaces and how those early experiences shaped her confidence, creativity, and sense of belonging. What starts as a conversation about music soon opens out into a wider discussion about youth work, community, and why spaces that centre creativity and care matter more than ever - especially at a time when youth services across the UK continue to disappear.

As we walk, Zoë shares what it’s really like to lead a charity in the current climate, and why she believes joy, playfulness, and silliness aren’t distractions from the work, but essential to sustaining it. We talk openly about responsibility, burnout, and how creativity can exist alongside leadership and accountability without losing its humanity.

This episode is a reminder that creativity isn’t a luxury - it’s infrastructure. That small moments of validation can stay with a young person for life. And that community is built not through grand gestures, but through consistency, care, and shared creative experiences.

Zoë Carassik is CEO of Pie Factory Music, a music and youth work charity based in a busy youth centre in Ramsgate, East Kent. With a background in community music engagement and music education, Zoë’s work has predominantly focused on supporting social justice causes and has taken her from immigration removal centres, women’s refuges and community centres to world-class cultural institutions and strategic charitable organisations.

Zoë is a passionate advocate for young people’s rights, ensuring young people are front and centre of the cultural regeneration of Thanet and other areas of high deprivation.

https://piefactorymusic.com/

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Credits

Hosts: Kim and Dan

Logo Design: Jane Hogan Illustrates

Music & Production: Kim

Recorded in: Margate, UK

A Christmas Day walk-and-talk reflecting on burnout, grief, ADHD, alcohol, ambition, and learning to live more gently. This special episode of Where Are We Heading? is a quiet, honest reflection on the year that’s been — and how to move forward without burning out.

Dan and Kim talk about grief, first Christmases after loss, sobriety, ADHD, anxiety, burnout, and the pressure we put on ourselves to “be further along.” Instead of setting big resolutions, they explore what it looks like to slow down, listen to the body, and let life be enough — even when things aren’t perfect.

Kim shares how burnout has reshaped her relationship with work, ambition, and self-worth, and how practices like meditation, exercise, and compassion have become essential tools rather than optional extras. Dan reflects on grief, reflection without regret, and finding meaning in presence rather than productivity.

As always, the conversation unfolds while walking, grounded in the landscape, the moment, and the reality that none of us have it figured out.

This episode is for anyone ending the year feeling tired, reflective, or quietly hopeful and for those who want to enter the next chapter with more kindness and less force.

Key Takeaways

• Letting go of New Year’s resolutions in favour of compassion

• Burnout as a turning point, not a failure

• ADHD, anxiety, and the body’s memory of trauma

• Grief and first Christmases after loss

• Sobriety, alcohol, and changing relationships with celebration

• Meditation and exercise as regulation, not optimisation

• Learning to say no without guilt

• Measuring life by presence, not productivity

• Why slowing down can actually create space for better things

  
  

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  Credits

  Hosts: Kim and Dan

  Podcast: Where Are We Heading?

  Logo Design: Jane Hogan Illustrates

  Music & Production: Kim

  Recorded in: Margate, UK