In which Ethan and Jo catch up and begin to analyze the potential of one of Jo's congregations.

Curious about the analysis? A great place to start is with the Good Friday Collaborative's blog post, "Is Your Congregation Spiritually and Emotionally Strong?"

Looking for that interview with Diane Kenaston, one of the Good Friday Collaborative's collaborators? It's called Completing Ministry/The Stained Glass Cliff.

In which Ethan and Jo discuss a classic Batman movie.

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In which Rev. Dr. Alina Gayeuski joins Jo to discuss her ministry journey, feminism, and her upcoming book, Beyond the Stained Glass Ceiling.

Read a sample of the book or preorder it directly here.

Join in on the book launch festivities! Details shared here: https://www.facebook.com/beyondthestainedglassceiling

Here's that video of male clergy reading things folks have said to female clergy.

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In which Ethan and Jo discuss preparing for ICE actions in your community and whether clergy should be martyrs.

The Patheos article we discuss is https://www.patheos.com/blogs/ecopreacher/2026/01/clergy-prepare-for-ice-guidance-from-minnesota-pastors/

The reporting we used for about the Episcopal bishops is https://religionnews.com/2026/01/15/two-episcopal-bishops-say-clergy-may-have-to-put-bodies-on-the-line-to-resist-ice/

The book Ethan references is Auschwitz and After https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Auschwitz_and_After

In which Spanks and the Dude discuss AI.

In which Ethan and Jo discuss William James and American Pragmatism.

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In which Jo and Pamela discuss the Hands Off protests, protest safety, intersectionality, and the roles clergy can play in protests.

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In which Ethan and Jo discuss what to do when ministries become too precious, folks become too unreliable, and your leadership style needs an overhaul.

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