What if understanding why we do what we do could help us navigate life’s uncertainties?

In this episode of Holy Uncertain, hosts Lauren Ranzino and Chris McLeod are joined by bestselling author, psychotherapist, Episcopal priest, and Enneagram teacher Ian Morgan Cron to explore what the Enneagram is, how it works, and why so many people have found it helpful.

Ian breaks down the Enneagram as a system of nine personality types shaped by different core motivations - not a set of labels that defines who we are. Together, they look at how each type might respond when certainty starts to unravel: what we cling to, what we avoid, what makes us feel safe, and what healthier growth can look like when faith or life feels disorienting.

The conversation also turns to Ian’s novel Chasing Francis: A Pilgrim’s Tale, newly released in a 20th-Anniversary Edition. The novel follows a pastor whose crisis of faith leads him on a pilgrimage into the life and spirituality of St. Francis of Assisi, and offers another way of thinking about what can happen when the faith or identity we’ve relied on no longer holds.

If you’ve ever been curious about the Enneagram - or wondered why you respond to doubt, conflict, change, or uncertainty the way you do - this episode offers a helpful place to start.

Continue learning from Ian Morgan Cron:
www.ianmorgancron.com
Instagram: @ianmorgancron

Listen to Ian’s Podcast:
Typology

Read Ian’s Books:
Chasing Francis: A Pilgrim’s Tale — 20th-Anniversary Edition
The Road Back to You: An Enneagram Journey to Self-Discovery
The Story of You: An Enneagram Journey to Becoming Your True Self

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Holy Uncertain is a Blue Elevator production.