In this episode of The Coptimizer Podcast, Patrick Flannelly sits down with retired Chief of Police Doug Shoemaker for an honest conversation about wellness, leadership, and the evolving challenges of modern policing.

Doug reflects on his 33-year career that began in Jefferson City, Missouri, and shares how pivotal moments like Ferguson and George Floyd reshaped law enforcement. Together, Patrick and Doug tackle the often-overlooked importance of police leaders prioritizing their own health, including using measurable metrics like insulin resistance to evaluate wellness.

The discussion highlights:

• Wellness & Leadership: Why chiefs and command staff must take care of themselves first to better lead their officers.

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• The “Eight Minutes” Code: The value of trusted peer networks and having people you can call when leadership feels isolating.

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• The Curve: Doug’s work with this leadership development initiative is designed to strengthen culture and create mission-driven leaders in policing.

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• Small Agency Challenges: With 80% of U.S. departments having fewer than 25 officers, Doug emphasizes the need for shared best practices and support networks.

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• Technology & Efficiency: His current work with Peregrine involves helping agencies integrate data to free officers for proactive policing.

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• Shared Connections: The conversation closes on a lighter note, with Patrick and Doug bonding over their mutual passion for bourbon, underscoring the importance of relationships and shared experiences beyond the badge.

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