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Wake Up, Underworld!

Wake Up, Underworld!

Di: Cameron Steele and Justin Little
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What does it mean to practice magick as a path to enlightenment? Does practical magick have a role on the spiritual path? What exactly is the Western Magickal or Esoteric Tradition and who are its main thinkers and key figures? What does this tradition have to do with other spiritual pursuits or paths, from Buddhism to Animism, the Twelve Steps of AA to Christian Hermeticism? What do magick and awakening have to offer a person struggling with the anxieties of our age, its loneliness and algorithms? What is synchronicity and how does it relate to prophecy? These are some of the questions co-hosts Justin Little and Cameron Steele explore on Wake Up, Underworld! We delve into postmodern disenchantment, practical magick, and spiritual awakening within the context of the Western Magickal Tradition, alive and well thanks to Alan Chapman’s Magia, and, ever-present throughout human history as the tradition behind traditions. You can expect true stories of real magick, deep conversations about occult texts, and heartfelt explorations of the surprising, beautiful, and enduring presence of magick in the heart of spirituality, Reality, and the human being itself.

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  • Who is My Teacher: Part One

    Who is My Teacher: Part One
    Oct 21 2026
    How does one find a teacher? What is the right relationship between student and teacher? Is there a benefit to studying under a living teacher within a tradition versus learning on one’s own, with the help of the right books at the right time? Recorded fresh off co-teaching a retreat together, Justin and Cameron follow the threads of these questions through personal reflections on their experiences teaching, a wider look at the state of education today, and an exploration of what it means to find a spiritual or magickal teacher who trusts the same thing you do. The conversation takes us through the pitfalls of academia, what lies beyond the complaints about the “personal essay industrial complex,” the grace of finding out even the bad teachers have something just for you, and acts of divination, writing, and magick as gestures that ask true questions about the nature of the soul and demonstrating its commensurate growth.Texts mentionedPhil Ford’s essay “On Jung, I Ching, and the Tarot”Liz Greene’s Jung’s Studies in Astrology Julie Henderson’s The Somatic I Ching Richard Wilhelm’s I ChingAleister Crowley’s Book of ThothAleister Crowley’s Tao Te ChingThe Exegesis of Philip K. Dick CG Jung’s introduction to Wilhelm’s translation of the I Ching Austin Coppock’s Fundamentals of Astrology coursesDemetra George’s work on Hellenistic astrologyAlan Chapman’s MagiaThe Baptist’s Head by Alan Chapman and Duncan Barford Peter Kingsley’s oeuvrePhilip K. Dick’s Ubik Jessa Crispin’s The Dead Ladies Project The Passport through Hades episode “The Word Silence and Not Only in English”Register for Cameron's new tarot course "The Court Cards of the Tarot and the Work of the Soul"Order Cameron's book "Interruption"Read Justin's essay "Spiritus Contra Spiritum"Show Art by Beck Corriganhttps://beckcorrigan.cargo.site/about-contactMusic by Justin Little Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
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    1 ora e 40 min
  • Cassandra and Lucifer

    Cassandra and Lucifer
    Oct 7 2026
    Lucifer and CassandraThere are lots of furious arguments online and in schools these days about the end of reading. Kids aren’t doing it, neither are college students, and even the so-called writers churning out hot takes in newsletters and in the Atlantic seem to be missing the mark, which is that the human capacity for thought and reading has very little to do with yelling about lack for likes and Stripe payouts. Instead, the ability to read a sentence, a tarot card, a children’s book, a canonical tome, or the stars themselves has something very much to do with the spiritual principle of looking as if to see. So what can spiritual awakening do for one’s reading ability in an age where the drama over mechanized attention is one that surely spells apparent doom? Episode Four of Wake Up, Underworld! begins with a look at such concerns before following an account of Justin’s second awakening into a conversation on the nature of demons, spiritual ancestors, and how the subversive move of “reclaiming” one’s weaknesses or evil inclinations as one’s power is only a shadow of the true realization of weakness in strength and strength in weakness. The truth of such a realization is the mystery of magickal reality, which is one reason Justin and Cameron find themselves at a loss for words when mystics or occultist podcasters try to eschew magick, on the one hand, or God, on the other. Are there specific struggles that men and women face in articulating their spiritual or magickal paths? What roles does existence seem to force us into? We tackle these questions through exploring personal relationships to myth. Finally, the conversation comes full circle as it turns toward the growing understanding that one of the first steps toward knowing one’s Self comes from learning how to read, not as an educational exercise but as a simple expression of your spiritual birthright. Texts Mentioned Rudolph Steiner’s The Incarnation of AhrimanCameron’s essay “We Are Already AI”Duncan Barford’s The Book of RazielAleister Crowley’s The Vision and the VoiceAleister Crowley’s Magick In Theory and PracticeAleister Crowley’s Magick Without Tears, edited by Alan Chapman and Duncan BarfordAlan Chapman’s “Is God to Live In a Dog?”Lao Tzu’s Tao Te Ching, translated by Aleister CrowleyMaurice Sendak’s Where the Wild Things ArePhilip K. Dick’s The Owl in Daylight For a wonderful Weird Studies conversation on PKD's unfinished work, listen to episode 90 "The Owl in Daylight" https://www.weirdstudies.com/90Alan Chapman’s Magia CG Jung’s Memories, Dreams, ReflectionsLiz Greene’s Jung’s Studies In AstrologySamuel Taylor Coleridge's The Rime of the Ancient MarinerOrder Cameron's book "Interruption"Read Justin's essay "Spiritus Contra Spiritum"Show Art by Beck Corriganhttps://beckcorrigan.cargo.site/about-contactMusic by Justin Little Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
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    1 ora e 43 min
  • "A Higher Order of Relationship Altogether"

    "A Higher Order of Relationship Altogether"
    Sep 23 2026
    We begin with reflections on what’s left out of current conversations around the Odyssey after Christopher Nolan’s reboot. Is it possible to see the good news in the groundwater of contemporary discourse? How might we adopt a position of hanging back, looking as if to see, letting the message behind the messaging come through? These questions lead us into Cameron’s backstory as an investigative crime reporter receiving messages from and writing poetry alongside the dead in the Deep South of the United States. People enjoy quoting the imminently quotable Simone Weil these days — “attention is the purest form of devotion” and “to know truth is to accept death” — but what does the mystic really mean with these statements? How does proximity to death trick us, even when we’re apparently seeing beyond it, never mind accepting it? What’s the difference between performing bravado — an apparently unflinching devotion to the facts of life, in the face of death — and a strength that comes precisely from a recognition of one’s humility and madness? What’s the difference between turning a tarot card over in an attempt to know and reading the cards as part of the mystery of love? Can you honestly tell when you’re doing one thing or the other? Can you know which voice is speaking to you in the dark? We explore these questions and more in a pursuit of a “higher order of relationship altogether.” Mentioned in the show: The Odyssey by Homer The Odyssey: A Graphic Novel by Gareth HindsThe Prince of Egypt "Sing for Our Time Too! The Divine Song of the Odyssey" by Mark Vernon The Red Book: Liber Secundus, Chapter Three, "One of the Lowly" by CG JungMagick Without Tears by Aleister Crowley, edited by Alan Chapman and Duncan Barford Gravity and Grace by Simone WeilThe Creative Tarot by Jessa Crispin"What is Spiritual Development For?" Episode 241 of Conner Habib's podcast Against Everything With Conner Habib, with guests Alan Chapman and Duncan Barford Duncan Barford's work and books, all found at Occult Experiments in the HomeAlan Chapman's MagiaCameron's writing on her newsletter "interruptions"Cameron's new book Interruption: Divinatory Essays on Illness and Narrative, published by Sul Books next weekThe title of this episode comes from Cristina Campo's wonderful essay collection The UnforgivableOrder Cameron's book "Interruption"Read Justin's essay "Spiritus Contra Spiritum"Show Art by Beck Corriganhttps://beckcorrigan.cargo.site/about-contactMusic by Justin Little Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
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    2 ore e 7 min
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