A murdered 4-year-old. A young woman killed after leaving a party. Another woman whose murder would later be linked to a suspected serial killer.

And a community gripped by Satanic Panic.

What happened in the Florida Keys, and how many questions remain unanswered decades later?

In Episode 4 of Wait, Explain That?, Heather and Natalie investigate the murders of Patricia “Patty” Lanza, Lisa Sanders, and Sherry Perisho, exploring the disturbing crimes, the rumors that fueled fear throughout the Florida Keys, and the investigation into Charlie Brandt.

We examine Brandt's violent childhood, the killing of his pregnant mother, and the horrific 2004 murders of his wife, Terri Brandt, and niece, Michelle Jones — crimes that exposed a violent history hidden for decades.

But here's where the story gets complicated.

Patty Lanza and Lisa Sanders' murders remain unsolved. Sherry Perisho's murder was later attributed to Charlie Brandt.

How much of what people believed during the Satanic Panic was supported by evidence? Were investigators following the right leads? And what happens to victims when speculation becomes louder than the facts?

We separate documented evidence from theories and examine the questions that still deserve answers.

Because behind every sensational headline is a person whose life mattered long before their name became part of a murder investigation.

Three victims. Decades of questions. And stories that deserve more than speculation.

🎙️ Wait, Explain That? — The story everyone knows is where we start. The question nobody asked is where we go.

New episodes every Tuesday.

CONTENT WARNING: Murder, child murder, domestic violence, sexual assault, sexual assault of a child, mutilation, dismemberment, and disturbing crime details.

What if you wanted to disappear completely...

and collect your own life insurance money while you were still alive?

In the late 1980s, Gene Hanson and John Hawkins had built a wildly successful-looking sweatpants business called Just Sweats.

Then everything started falling apart.

Millions of dollars were disappearing. Gene wanted out. Life insurance entered the picture. And somehow, the plan became much bigger than simply walking away from a failing business.

Because if Gene was going to disappear...

someone had to become Gene Hanson.

And that raises one terrifying question:

Where do you get a body?

This is the story of Just Sweats, a bizarre insurance scheme, a doctor pulled into the plan, a missing man named Ellis Greene, and the increasingly impossible problem of proving that a man who was very much alive was actually dead.

And just when you think you understand the scheme, it gets darker.

🎙️ Wait, Explain That?