As the first season of United Bodies comes to a close, here’s a conversation that will buoy us all by proving what’s possible.

We’ve been talking about building the world we need -- be that through destigmatizing the hard stuff in our life through humor, liberating ourselves through movement, choosing to write a new story for our lives, finding bodily pleasure, or reconciling our spirituality. Today we are bringing all of those threads together in a conversation about accessing joy amidst the deepest of suffering, amidst any circumstance even while staring down our own mortality, because ultimately, that is true freedom.

Choosing and experiencing joy can be difficult for so many reasons and we will address those -- be it our knack for comparison or shame, or our resistance or fear of embodiment and presence. Our guest today, Andrea Gibson, proves that navigating these forces are worth it to experience the fullness that joy can bring to our lives. Andrea is Colorado’s Poet Laureate and one of the most celebrated and influential spoken word poets of our time. Their poems center around LGBTQ issues, gender, feminism, mental health, and social justice. The winner of the first Women’s World Poetry Slam, Andrea is the author of seven award winning books, most recently “You Better Be Lightning". Andrea joins us to share the experience of feeling joy amidst life’s greatest challenges.

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Today we’re talking about pleasure. I can already tell that some of you are wincing. Pleasure is experienced in our bodies and keeps us full of aliveness—whether that’s the pleasure that comes from feeling sun on our backs, tasting our favorite treat, or from a steamy sexcapade.

We’re talking about it all today with the person who wrote a whole book about its importance. adrienne maree brown is the NYT Bestselling author of Pleasure Activism. She’s a writer, activist and organizer who believes deeply that the only reason we can continue to resist oppressive structures, and the only reason to resist oppressive structures is to experience the fullness of pleasure in our lives. We weren’t made to suffer. We were made to live irresistible joyful, satisfying, and good lives.

Pleasure can be hard to come by, specifically if you live with a marginalized identity, are disconnected from your body, or have experienced a weaponization of pleasure. But adrienne says that especially then, pleasure is important to fight for and access. Today we’re digging in with adrienne as she takes on the task of proving to all of us that finding pleasure is worth it.

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For many of us, spiritual health is a facet of our health that we consider less, perhaps even give less weight to or spend less time cultivating. There are many reasons for this. Spirituality can feel elusive, confusing, scary, and unknown. It can bring up religious baggage, ostracization, and pain.

Religion is one of the most notable constructs of how people find and express individual and communal spirituality, but it’s also been used as a tool to oppress and commit violence. At a time when it feels like there is pain, suffering, and oppression everywhere we look, spirituality can force us to grapple with a lot of messiness -- in a way that can feel inaccessible at best, and offensive at worst.

Today, I’m speaking with Phillip Picardi, Chief Marketing and Communications Officer at the Los Angeles LGBT Center, as well as an award-winning journalist and editor formerly of OUT Magazine, Teen Vogue and Them. Phillip was also the host of Crooked Media’s podcast Unholier Than Thou, where he explored all things saintly and secular and is a graduate of Harvard Divinity School where he received his master’s in Religion and Public Life.

A few years ago, Phillip embarked on a spiritual journey centered on reclaiming Christianity and in particular, Catholicism, the religious tradition that he was raised in and had given up on as a gay kid. Phillip knows firsthand that acknowledging and engaging in our individual spirituality, however you label that, or in whatever way that may look, can really serve us. Spirituality can ground us, give us purpose, and guide us, even if it doesn’t come easy.

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