Welcome to Episode 10 of the True Images Podcast!

In this episode, host Carlie Cleveland sits down with Drew Boa, founder of Husband Material and an expert in pornography addiction recovery, to unpack the deeper roots of sexual brokenness. Instead of treating pornography as a simple behavior problem, Drew exposes how the industry deliberately exploits the core wounds, isolation, and unaddressed pain of both men and women.

This is our last, full, sit-down interview podcast for the season! Join the hosts as they talk about their time creating The True Images Podcast and what they've learned from one another.

If you or someone you love has felt trapped in a loop of shame and failure, stay for the interview and listen to a refreshing, hopeful, and deeply biblical roadmap to lasting freedom with Drew and Carlie.

Stick around after as Carlie is joined by Ivan and John to process the interview, discuss how these truths play out in everyday life, and share practical ways the Church can create spaces for healing.

00:00 - Group Chat09:04 - Interview with Drew Boa: How Porn Exploits Pain & Finding Lasting Freedom1:04:13 - Discussion: The Root of the Problem and Healing in Jesus

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Find Today's Guest: Drew Boa is a counselor, author, and the founder of Husband Material, an organization dedicated to helping men outgrow porn and become fully alive.

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Music Credits: Weird Dream by Domastic [NoCopyrightSounds]

This week, we have a special BONUS interview with special guest, Rev. Bonnie Gatchell!

Rev. Bonnie is the founder and director of Route One Ministry, an organization dedicated to encountering, loving, and ministering to women exploited by the sex trade. Operating on the frontlines, she brings powerful insight into what human trafficking actually looks like on the East Coast today, moving past the myths to reveal the heartbreaking reality—and the hope that can break through it.

In a culture where the realities of the sex trade are often misunderstood or sensationalized, it’s easy to look away—but the gospel calls us to step into the dark places with truth, grace, and real restoration.

This week, Carlie and Rev. Bonnie Gatchell sit down for an interview to talk about the realities of modern trafficking, ministering to women surviving the sex trade, and how the Church can offer true refuge.

Engaging with the brokenness of our world isn't about fear; it's about bringing the light of Christ to the places that need it most. Tune in for an episode packed with eye-opening truths, practical ways to help, and deep theological wisdom.

Meet This Week's Guest:

Rev. Bonnie Gatchell – https://www.routeoneministry.org/

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Song: Domastic - Weird Dream [NCS Release]Music provided by: NoCopyrightSounds

Welcome to Episode 9 of the True Images Podcast!TRIGGER WARNING: This episode contains discussions of the sex trade, prostitution, and sexual exploitation. Some matter is disturbing.This week, we are joined by guest Elly Arrow for a sobering and essential conversation on the global realities of the sex trade. As we continue our mission to uncover a truly biblical vision of human flourishing, we must look honestly at the systems that commodify and dehumanize. Elly joins Carlie to compare and contrast the legal and social landscapes of pr*stitution in both Germany and the United States, shedding light on the often-hidden exploitation within these industries.First, join John, Ivan, and Carlie for the weekly Group Chat. This week, our hosts chat about what to do when you feel off and all things getting back up when you're down.Then, settle in for an eye-opening and challenging interview. Elly and Carlie dive deep into the complexities of the s*x trade, deconstructing the "normalization" of the industry and discussing its devastating impact on individuals and communities. They explore how Elly's perspective as a radical feminist and the need to see beyond the transaction to the inherent dignity of the person. Timestamps:0:00 – Show Begins: Group Chat10:43 – Interview with Elly Arrow: The Reality of the S*x Trade in Germany and the US1:29:28 – Discussion: Upholding Dignity and Confronting ExploitationMeet This Week's Guest:Elly Arrowhttps://ellyarrow.wordpress.com/https://dieunsichtbarenmaenner.wordpress.com/menu/The Deep Dive Guide:Find this week's guide with scripture, discussion questions, and our recommended reads on our website ⁠⁠⁠Our Website:⁠⁠⁠⁠www.therealtruthministries.com⁠The True Images Podcast is produced by The Real Truth Ministries. Copyright © 2026 by True Images Podcast. All rights reserved.Song: Domastic - Weird Dream [NCS Release]Music provided by: NoCopyrightSounds