Trauma exposure is often associated with blue-light services or clinical roles, but the reality of emotional labour is far wider. In this episode of Trauma Informed Conversations, host Jessica Parker sits down with mental health and suicide prevention consultant Christine Clark to discuss the "quiet weight" carried by those in everyday professions.

From catering kitchens to recycling centres and call centres, the conversation explores how "ordinary" roles often involve absorbing months or years of a person's turmoil. Christine and Jessica challenge the expectation that burnout is "normal" and highlight the physical and psychological toll of staying "steady" for others without receiving containment in return.

This episode is an invitation to rethink where trauma shows up and a reminder that being affected by your work doesn't make you weak—it makes you human. It offers a space to acknowledge the stories we hold and the necessity of human connectivity in finding a way through.

Guests

Christine Clark is a mental health and suicide prevention consultant, trainer, and facilitator with over two decades of experience in the field. As the founder of Koru Consulting Ltd, she leverages her unique professional background—having originally trained and worked as a chef for many years—to explore how trauma and emotional pressure manifest in diverse, "non-traditional" sectors like catering, waste management, and call centres. A Master ASIST (Applied Suicide Intervention Skills Training) Trainer, Christine specialises in moving organisations beyond "part of the job" mentalities to foster psychologically safe environments grounded in human connectivity and the "permission to talk".

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Adoption is frequently presented as an endpoint: a “happy ending,” a rescue, a solution. For many adoptees, the story does not end with placement. It continues across the life course, shaped by identity, belonging, nervous system responses, loss, silence, and social expectation.

In this episode of Trauma Informed Conversations (part of the Care-Experienced People mini-series), host Carrie Wilson speaks with Annalisa Toccara-Jones, a PhD researcher, adoptee, and advocate whose work examines adoption as a lifelong experience shaped by narrative power, particularly through media and public storytelling.

The conversation draws on the Adoptee Consciousness Model, developed by adoptee scholars Branco, Kim, Newton, Cooper-Lewter, and O’Loughlin (2025). The model conceptualises adoptee awareness as a non-linear process, moving through recurring phases that include status quo, rupture, dissonance, expansiveness, and agency.

Annalisa discusses how these touchstones can be activated at different points across the life course, often in response to media portrayals, institutional encounters, relationships, or moments when dominant “happy ending” narratives no longer hold. The episode explores the pressure adoptees can feel to be “grateful,” the role of saviourism and moral panic in adoption storytelling, and how adoptees are frequently represented without complexity.

Annalisa also reflects on researching from within the adoptee community, including the emotional labour this entails and the need for boundaries when producing knowledge grounded in lived experience.

This episode invites listeners to move beyond simplified adoption stories and to recognise adoption as a lifelong condition shaped by narrative, power, and social expectation, requiring trauma-informed understanding and space for adoptees to speak without obligation to resolve their experience.

Guest

Annalisa Toccara-Jones is a PhD researcher, adoptee, and advocate whose work explores the lifelong legacies of adoption and the ways adoption is portrayed and understood through media and public narratives. Working through a trauma-informed lens, Annalisa’s research centres adoptee voices and examines how dominant “happy ending” framings can erase complexity, shape identity, and silence lived experience.

Episode Key Themes

• Adoption as a “happy ending” narrative versus adoptees’ lived realities
• Silence, shame, and the impact of being discouraged from speaking about adoption
• Media portrayals: saviourism, moral panic, and “either villain or victim” storytelling
• The expectation of gratitude, and what it obscures about safety and trauma
• Identity, belonging, class, and the specific realities of racialised/transracial experiences
• The emotional labour of researching within your own community and the need for boundaries
• How adoptees reclaim voice through social media and community connection

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Sibling kinship care is far more common than most people realise, yet it remains one of the least understood forms of care. In this powerful episode of Trauma Informed Conversations, part of the Care-Experienced People mini-series, host Carrie Wilson sits down with Dr Lorna Stabler from Cardiff University to explore what really happens when a young person becomes the primary carer for their own brother or sister.

Drawing on lived experience and ground-breaking research, Lorna shares the hidden realities of sibling kinship care: stepping into parenting roles while still traumatised, navigating systems that don’t recognise sibling carers, and carrying emotional and financial pressures that professionals often overlook. Together, Carrie and Lorna unpack the myths, misunderstandings and invisible labour that shape these family stories, while highlighting the deep love, commitment and resilience that hold them together.

Listeners will gain insight into why sibling kinship care sits at the intersection of multiple forms of invisibility, how language and policy fail to reflect real family life, and what needs to change to build trauma-informed systems that actually support carers rather than overwhelm them. From shared-care models to financial recognition, from the importance of narrative work to the complexity of sibling bonds, this episode offers a compassionate and honest exploration of a rarely heard care experience.

Whether you work in social care, policy, education, or simply want to understand kinship care more deeply, this conversation invites you to rethink assumptions and recognise sibling carers as experts in connection, not exceptions to the rule.

Key topics include:

• The emotional and practical realities of becoming a sibling kinship carer
• Why existing systems expect carers to “do 100% or nothing”
• Trauma-informed approaches to supporting kinship families
• The power of narrative and lived experience in reshaping practice
• Financial barriers, identity, and the hidden costs of care
• How language like “placement” and “contact” distorts real family relationships

About our Guest

Dr Lorna Stabler is a researcher at the CASCADE Research Centre at Cardiff University, focusing on care experience, kinship care and family support. She grew up in and out of foster care and kinship care and later became a kinship foster carer for her younger brother. That lived experience runs through her work, including her PhD on sibling kinship care, which asks not whether kinship care is “good or bad” but how it really feels to live it.

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