In the first part of this episode I talk to the poet Callie Gardner – a writer and publisher from Glasgow whose book-length poem Naturally it is not came out with the 87 Press in 2018 – about how they got into poetry.

And in the second part I talk to Mhairi, a videogame-lover from the Highlands who is currently studying Radio at City of Glasgow College, about a small section of Callie's poem 'Summerletter' (part of Naturally it is not).

Mhairi says that she has "limited experience" of reading poetry, partly because of a sense of "gatekeeping" she feels surrounds the subject, making it seem "quite intimidating" to an outsider.

Despite finding Callie's poem dense and mysterious, Mhairi manages to find some meaning in the visual aspects of the poem, and says she will never look at a loch in the same way again!

Read the poem in full here: https://time41poem.wordpress.com/2021/12/29/it-can-be-quite-an-intimidating-thing/

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The poet Callie Gardner passed away shortly after recording this interview. They will be greatly missed by their family and friends as well as the wider poetry community.

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CREDITS

Producer/host: Annie Muir ~ @time41poem

Editor: Jack Rientoul ~ @jackrientoul

Music: JANSKY ~ @radiojansky

Artwork: Max Machen ~ @maxymachen

This podcast was made using funding from the National Lottery, through Creative Scotland.