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The Relational Podcast

The Relational Podcast

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Because behind every system, movement, and meaningful change… lies a relationship.

What if the most transformative tool at our disposal isn’t a strategy, a policy, or new technology—but a conversation?
Welcome to The Relational Podcast, a series of authentic dialogues exploring how our connections—human to human, human to planet—shape the way we think, work, and create impact.

Each episode is a living experiment in reciprocity and deep listening. Members of the Wasan community step into two powerful roles: interviewer and interviewee. Together, we explore personal stories, deep insights, and practical experiences of how relationality can reshape systems and unlock new possibilities for collective transformation.

🎧 Tune in and discover:
  • Stories of meaningful change from facilitators, researchers, and community builders.
  • Insights into the invisible forces of connection and trust that sustain change.
  • Real conversations that invite us to slow down, reflect, and reconnect—with ourselves, with each other, and with the systems we seek to shift.
This podcast is more than conversations—it’s an invitation to listen deeply and discover the profound impact of relationships.

Because when we transform our relationships, we transform our world.

Content by members of the Wasan community:
David Jay · Jane Wei · Sonja Betschart · Christine Lai · Ese Emerhi · Lily James Olds · Ana Amrein Esnaola · Catherine Dempsey · Melanie Kahl · Georgie Nightingall · Sumitra Pasupathy · Fabian Pfortmüller · Meg Busse · Avani Parekh · Rachel Sinha

Production by Efecto Colibrí: Efecto Colibrí blends storytelling, social innovation, and the power of relationships to produce and distribute original and partner podcasts that bridge communities and sectors, shift mindsets, and spark action toward a more just, diverse, and regenerative future. https://efectocolibri.com/en/

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  • The Art of Relational Work: What the Research Really Tells Us with David Jay
    Sep 23 2025
    In this episode of the Relational Podcast, host Rachel Sinha is joined by David Jay, author of 'Relationality: How Moving from Transactional to Transformational Relationships Can Reshape Our Lonely World.'

    The discussion explores the transformative power of deep listening and meaningful relationships in addressing societal crises. David shares his journey from founding asexuality.org to advocating for relational ecosystems in movements and workplaces. Key concepts discussed include relational invisibility, the impact of personal storytelling, and the importance of creating environments where relationships can thrive. David emphasizes releasing control to allow relationships to evolve naturally and offers insights into how relational approaches can solve complex problems more effectively than top-down strategies.

    00:47 Welcoming David Jay
    01:56 David Jay's Journey and Work
    05:41 Defining Relationality
    08:55 Creating Relational Environments
    12:32 Relational Systems and Social Movements
    16:30 Challenges and Skepticism
    21:10 Practical Advice for Building Relationships
    24:47 Conclusion and Final Thoughts


    A big shout-out to the Wasan community for bringing us together - especially Meg Busse, Rachel Sinha, Christine Lai and Melanie Kahl, facilitators of the “Making the Case for Relationality” huddle.

    We appreciate your role in fostering this conversation.Thank you for tuning in! By sharing this episode and letting others know what inspired you, you help expand the community of co-creators building a more compassionate world.

    Dive deeper into our work at efectocolibri.com and join us in sparking the collective change we all envision. We value your voice—together, we can empower social innovation.Conceived and co-created during a Wasan Network small group in partnership with Huddlecraft. Wasan is a global network of social impact and philanthropy practitioners who believe that relationships sit at the center of social change. Learn more: https://www.wasan-network.org/

    Production and dissemination by Efecto Colibrí: Efecto Colibrí blends storytelling, social innovation, and the power of relationships to produce and distribute original and partner podcasts that bridge communities and sectors, shift mindsets, and spark action toward a more just, diverse, and regenerative future. Learn more https://efectocolibri.com/en/

    Artwork by Anjali Chandrashekar. https://anjalic.com/About
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    26 min
  • The Messy Revolution: Why Imperfection Builds Stronger Communities with Avani Parekh
    Sep 16 2025
    In this episode of The Relational Podcast, host Meg Busse sits down with Avani Parekh, a community builder and technologist bridging digital and physical spaces to create true connection. Together, they explore the epidemic of loneliness, how trust and humanness are built in anonymous online networks, and why "touching grass"—real-world connection—is essential in our hyper-digital lives.

    Avani shares her experience building Love Doctor, a confidential platform for young people in South Asia to discuss sexual health and relationships, born from a moment of national grief and activism. She reflects on the role of weavers—trusted connectors who humanize digital spaces—and calls for intentionality in making online spaces lead to offline human connection.The conversation is a rallying cry for all digital builders, community weavers, and humans: show up in your messiness, invite others in, and bring people together face-to-face.Topics We Cover:
    • The origins and impact of Love Doctor in taboo contexts
    • Building trust and "weavers" in faceless online worlds
    • Why every digital community needs a "touch grass" moment
    • How showing up as your imperfect, real self sparks collective healing and change
    A big shout-out to the Wasan community for bringing us together - especially Meg Busse, Rachel Sinha, Christine Lai and Melanie Kahl, facilitators of the “Making the Case for Relationality” huddle. We appreciate your role in fostering this conversation.Thank you for tuning in!

    By sharing this episode and letting others know what inspired you, you help expand the community of co-creators building a more compassionate world. Dive deeper into our work at efectocolibri.com and join us in sparking the collective change we all envision. We value your voice—together, we can empower social innovation.

    Conceived and co-created during a Wasan Network small group in partnership with Huddlecraft. Wasan is a global network of social impact and philanthropy practitioners who believe that relationships sit at the center of social change. Learn more: https://www.wasan-network.org/

    Production and dissemination by Efecto Colibrí: Efecto Colibrí blends storytelling, social innovation, and the power of relationships to produce and distribute original and partner podcasts that bridge communities and sectors, shift mindsets, and spark action toward a more just, diverse, and regenerative future.

    Learn more https://efectocolibri.com/en/

    Artwork by Anjali Chandrashekar. https://anjalic.com/About
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    41 min
  • Resourcing Change Relationally and Participatory Grantmaking with Catherine Dempsey
    Sep 9 2025
    Host Ana Amrein Esnaola talks with Catherine Dempsey about why interdependent relationships—not transactions—drive social change.

    We explore participatory grantmaking, trust-based funding, and consensus decision-making, plus practical first steps (beginning with deep listening). Learn how centering community and connection builds resilience, improves funding decisions, and powers systemic impact.
    • 00:59 — Meet Catherine: Collaborative development & social value
    • 02:31 — Birds, sky, connection: Everyday cues for interdependence
    • 09:25 — Participatory grantmaking: Community power in funding
    • 13:09 — Relational approaches at work: From silos to ecosystems
    • 27:02 — Governance & consensus: What inclusive decisions look like
    • 30:44 — Why now: Democracy, resilience, and trust-based practice
    • 31:57 — Start here: Deep listening as a daily discipline
    A big shout-out to the Wasan community for bringing us together - especially Meg Busse, Rachel Sinha, Christine Lai and Melanie Kahl, facilitators of the “Making the Case for Relationality” huddle.

    We appreciate your role in fostering this conversation.Thank you for tuning in!By sharing this episode and letting others know what inspired you, you help expand the community of co-creators building a more compassionate world. Dive deeper into our work at efectocolibri.com and join us in sparking the collective change we all envision.

    We value your voice—together, we can empower social innovation.

    Conceived and co-created during a Wasan Network small group in partnership with Huddlecraft. Wasan is a global network of social impact and philanthropy practitioners who believe that relationships sit at the center of social change. Learn more: https://www.wasan-network.org/

    Production and dissemination by Efecto Colibrí: Efecto Colibrí blends storytelling, social innovation, and the power of relationships to produce and distribute original and partner podcasts that bridge communities and sectors, shift mindsets, and spark action toward a more just, diverse, and regenerative future. Learn more https://efectocolibri.com/en/

    Artwork by Anjali Chandrashekar. https://anjalic.com/About
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    33 min
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