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The Moon Under Water: A Pubcast with Kel Daniels and Steve Jones

The Moon Under Water: A Pubcast with Kel Daniels and Steve Jones

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The Moon Under Water is a pub. The Moon Under Water isn't real. All are welcome. George Orwell is a frequent customer. We talk a lot about post-apocalyptic and dystopian stories.

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  • Stories That Matter
    Apr 29 2026

    Today’s Story That Matters is big and familiar: Don Quixote. First published in 1605, it has certainly lasted. And though most of the stories we consider important are serious, tragedies rather than comedies, this one is practically slapstick.

    To call the entire novel a “story” isn’t quite correct. It’s a collection of hundreds of stories. The form is called “picaresque,” which is a novel shaped like barbed wire, to my mind, a straight line of existence studded by pointy little clusters of conflict.

    For those who have just landed on the planet, I’ll summarize the basic plot. A country gentleman named Alonso Quijada is addicted to reading fantasy stories about knights, dragons, wizards, maidens, and such. The fact that this genre is still wildly popular 500 years later says something about our need to dream, and no doubt these stories hold survival information, as Don Quixote proves, even as it critiques and satirizes the genre. Quijada is a kind of everyman, rich enough to not have to work, at least not much, but also a provincial nobody. His life is boring and fairly meaningless. Desperate, or just mentally ill, or most likely driven crazy by ennui, he decides he’s going to be a “knight errant,” just like the heroes he reads about, and changes his name to Don Quixote de la Mancha. That’s the plot. He outfits himself with a DIY knight kit--armor, horse, squire—and sets out looking for trouble. He finds it, everywhere, mainly in the form of his delusions colliding violently with reality. It’s really funny, and slyly touching. Above all, despite the fantastical conceit, it’s grounded in material reality, and the fun and interest come from the constant clash between the world and our higher ideals about it. The information in this sprawling novel, repeated in story after story, is crucial in two ways: 1. If we don’t find meaning in our lives, we will invent it, or perish. 2. We must always be reminded to not take ourselves so seriously. Life is a comedy, Don Quixote tells us, even as he imagines it as a tragedy.

    While pretending to be a knight, Quixote’s goal is always the same: to protect the vulnerable. This is the role, the answer to my mind, for those of us who have enough surplus wealth and power to spare after taking care of our personal and family needs. When we fail to do this, to matter to other people, we fall into fantasy or despair. That’s how I read the novel at least.

    The danger of finding meaning by helping others is that it almost inevitably leads to grandiose ideas about ourselves. This is when sanity must reassert itself, clear thinking. Every one of us is more Alonso Quijada than Don Quixote, and we’d do well to remember that. That thing on our head is not a helmet but a barber’s basin; the giant we just fought is a windmill. At the end of the novel, Quijada’s sanity completely returns. He renounces his life as Don Quixote and all those ridiculous books (as he seems them at the end), wills his belongings to his family and servants, and peacefully dies. Even so, a heroic verse is written on his tombstone, and nobody would wish he’d lived his entire life as a forgettable and frankly worthless country gentleman. His audacity, his madness, created meaning in his life, though reality kept humbling him, over and over. In the end, he’s at peace. He found the right balance.

    I’ll close with a joke by George Carlin. He’s talking about U.S. state mottos, contrasting “Live Free or Die,” and “Famous Potatoes.” Somewhere between these, he said, lies the truth. And I get the feeling it’s closer to Famous Potatoes.



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  • Stories That Matter
    Apr 24 2026
    Today’s Story that Matters is “Bloodchild” by Octavia Butler. This short story originally appeared in Asimov’s Sci Fi Mag in 1984 but its main message is probably even more relevant today than it was then.In the version I read, Butler provided an afterward, telling us two things she was going for. The first is that this is her “pregnant man story.” I’m not going to say anything about that except to say that yes, it’s horrifying, especially for us dudes out there, and it’s also interesting from a gender perspective. But her second point is the “crucial survival information” I’m after in this series. The story is about “paying the rent.” She means this more biologically than economically, in the sense that every living thing has to earn its right to survive, something folks in extremely wealthy societies have a tendency to forget.The story is about a society of humans who somehow end up on another planet, where they are not the dominant species. The Tlic, giant centipede like creatures, intelligent and technologically advanced, rule the place, but somehow humans have survived. The story starts on a domestic scene, familiar until the 10 foot tall talking bug shows up. One question comes up quickly: why do these powerful creatures tolerate, even put energy into taking care of these late coming humans? The answer is, as in all nature, the humans are useful to the Tlic, and over the generations, the two species have settled into an uneasy symbiosis, where the humans provide a service in exchange for relatively comfortable lives. No problem, right? Until you learn what the service is, and I’ll let you discover that yourselves.We learn that the relationship was not always so polite, and that generations before, humans were simply herded up like livestock and forced to do as the Tlic pleased. The humans were weak, but that’s not the same as powerless. It turns out that an intelligent animal can find all kinds of ways to gum up the system, and so it made sense for both parties to come to a consensus rather than one using brute force on the other. I’ll close this summary by saying that the compromise feels uncomfortably like marriage, especially marriage before the various waves of modern feminism. You’ve got a physically larger and materially and instructionally powerful individual taking on a smaller, weaker partner. He gets a companion, a sexual outlet, and offspring; she gets protection, a house, and if she’s “married well,” status and luxury. Hopefully she also likes the guy. In any event, this is totally transactional, sweetened up by a veneer of romance.So why is this idea of paying the rent so important today? For most of human history, nobody had be reminded that they had to work for a living. Starvation, exposure to the element, and violent death were always at the doorstep. But in the wealthiest human society in history, we tend to take everything we’ve got for granted. Our ancestors paid the rent for us, so we forget that this is a recurring payment. Instead of being grateful for the house we live in, we complain bitterly about our two-car garage when the neighbor has a three-car garage. Everything feels unfair. Aren’t we owed more? Why isn’t the government, or some other higher power, solving our problems for us? We assume that we’ll always have the basics of food, shelter, and clothing, so we aim for status. We assume we’ll always live in a democracy—at least we used to assume that. Not long ago, we assumed no American president would ever refuse to concede his electoral loss, that no sitting president would ever encourage a violent mob to attack the seat of power in order to disrupt the certifying of votes. What happened in Germany, the USSR, Italy…that could never happen here. The worst thing in the world is that my life doesn’t compare favorably to the lives I see on Instagram. Where’s my yacht, my jet, my second, third, and fourth homes? At the very least, where’s my brand-new deluxe edition Ford F-250 with dual back wheels?Only wealthy humans have fooled themselves into believing they are exempt from the rules that govern the rest of nature. When we fool ourselves into believing we are owed something, that everything we have is a kind of inevitable birthright, that we were put on this planet to have our desires granted, we’re in for a lifetime of disappointment. Some call this assumption entitlement, and it’s a recipe for unhappiness at the least. It’s also a good way to lose everything you’ve taken for granted, including our lives.In this story that takes place on a fictional planet far away, Butler is reminding us of that most earthly fact: nobody owes us anything, and the price of life is struggle. The humblest flowering weed puts a ton of energy into the bright colors of its flower and into its nectar, because baby, nobody’s going to spread your pollen unless they get some sweet nectar in return. Nature is brutally ...
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  • Empathy for the Devil
    Apr 22 2026

    Jones is into skiing and also into fatherhood. Daniels is a longtime fan of MFA student fave "Toby" Wolff. These interests overlap in a couple of realist stories about bad guys you reluctantly grow to like. A good time was had by all.

    The stories are short and fun to read. Here they are: https://rwwsoundings.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/Three-Stories-by-Tobias-Wolff.pdf



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