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The Meg and Amy Show

The Meg and Amy Show

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Join best friends Meg Bear and Amy Wilson on The Meg and Amy Show – a podcast for big-picture thinkers who are ready to challenge the status quo. As former tech executives and seasoned business leaders, Meg and Amy have spent decades leading through change. Now, they’re joining forces to break down the trends they’ve lived and helped shape.All rights reserved by WRKdefined Economia Ricerca del lavoro Successo personale
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  • Episode 48 | You're not unmoored. You're unchained. | Nick Mehta

    Episode 48 | You're not unmoored. You're unchained. | Nick Mehta
    Jun 27 2026
    🚀 You're Not Unmoored. You're Unchained. | Nick Mehta on identity, reinvention, and the AI reckoning hitting every SaaS company. After stepping down as Gainsight CEO, Nick joins Meg & Amy to reframe what comes after the title ends — and breaks down forward deployed engineers, "token maxing," and why AI-native startups generate 10x the revenue per employee. ⏰ TIMESTAMPS: 00:00 Cold open: unmoored vs. unchained 01:25 Nick's mom, arm wrestling, and the immigrant-parent comparison trap 04:57 Why he stepped down as Gainsight CEO after 13 years 08:43 Handing off well: the "Project Washington" succession plan 11:27 Feeling unmoored by AI vs. feeling unchained 17:24 Why the SaaS CEO has the hardest job in tech right now 23:37 The New Work Foundation and Gen Z's future of work 27:09 Amy's contrarian take: why it's good for kids to reject AI 31:52 Forward deployed engineers and the new customer success 39:00 "Token maxing," the CFO reckoning, and AI's real economics 44:13 Leadership Corner: stay, jump to an AI startup, or downshift? 🔑 KEY INSIGHTS: - Every leader has a shelf life — treat succession as a structural inevitability, not a personal failure. - "Unmoored vs. unchained": the same upheaval can be two opposite stories. The work is getting to the unchained side. - Low valuations create transformation freedom — when there's less to lose, it's easier to reinvent. - Forward deployed engineers are customer success rebuilt for AI — and consumption pricing finally aligns the vendor's incentives with yours. - "Token maxing" was the hot-dog-eating contest; the CFO reckoning is the hangover. AI in the enterprise has to be a business case, not a tech demo. 📚 RESOURCES: The Trevor Project (our Pride Month dedication — please consider donating): https://give.thetrevorproject.org/campaign/797408/donate New Work Foundation (Nick + Clara Shih): https://www.newworkfoundation.com/ Larridin: https://larridin.com/ Ben Horowitz, "Nobody Cares" (a16z): https://a16z.com/nobody-cares/ "Chop Wood, Carry Water" by Joshua Medcalf (h/t Doug Merritt): https://www.amazon.com/Chop-Wood-Carry-Water-Becoming/dp/153698440X 🔗 CONNECT:Nick Mehta: https://www.linkedin.com/in/nickmehtaInstagram: https://www.instagram.com/megandamyshow/LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/the-meg-amy-show #AILeadership #AITransformation #CustomerSuccess #SaaS #FutureOfWork #ForwardDeployedEngineers #Leadership #MegAndAmyShow
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    54 min
  • Episode 47| The AI Rush of 2025 Set the Skills Agenda Back. Here's What Comes Next | David Blake

    Episode 47| The AI Rush of 2025 Set the Skills Agenda Back. Here's What Comes Next | David Blake
    Jun 19 2026
    🚀 The AI rush of 2025 didn't move the skills agenda forward — it stalled it. That's the contrarian read from the founder of Degreed, the company built to make skills the currency of the workforce. David Blake walks us through why he thinks 2026 is the most important year of your career, what leader-led learning looks like when agents can actually run it for managers who were never trained to teach, and why he survives the SaaSpocalypse by remembering Degreed has always been an education company — not a software company. Plus the disarming answer to how he's run this thing for 14 years: naps. David is the co-founder and CEO of Degreed, the learning and skills platform he started in 2012 with a mission to "jailbreak the degree" — recognize the skill, not the credential. He's the co-author of The Expertise Economy and the co-creator of the Skills Quotient framework. He recently opened the Top of the Hill All Girls Secondary School in Kenya with Mary Murimi. ⏰ TIMESTAMPS: 00:00 Cold open — "Showing your soft underbelly" 00:31 Welcome and intro 01:39 The Kenya school — Mary Murimi and Top of the Hill GSS 06:01 The 12th Amendment, the VP election, and VICE.RUN 07:18 "Learners will inherit the earth" — Eric Hoffer and the original bet 10:11 The contrarian read — AI set the skills agenda back in 2025 13:13 Amy: AI has skills too — the human + AI hybrid 13:42 Meg: AI fluency to do what? + the simple-simple-simple skills trap 20:14 Sending agents through your corporate training — the corpus as guardrails 21:42 The most important corporate training is "who are we as a company?" 25:40 Edge cases: Singapore, Waymo, and the Disney complexity frontier 27:54 Three quick thoughts — full employment, "2026 is the most important year of your career," dynamic teams 32:29 The Degreed team call — showing your soft underbelly to your whole company 34:54 Parenting kids in the AI tidal wave — set a goal, work backwards 37:26 Meg: "Our experiences are not helpful for our children" 44:17 Maestro, Degree.ai, and the competing narratives on AI wrappers 48:00 Leader-led learning — agents for managers who were never trained to teach 50:30 The Murdoch sale, Vox Media, and where the economic rents actually go 52:00 Why Degreed is an education company, not a software company 56:15 The disarming answer to running this for 14 years: naps 58:01 Wrap 🔑 KEY INSIGHTS: - AI didn't move skills forward in 2025. It sucked the oxygen out of the room — IT had to roll out AI, attention moved on, and the skills agenda paused across most enterprises. - The most important "corporate training" content most companies are missing is their own mission. L&D's next role is custodian of organizational context — the corpus your agents actually need. - Leader-led learning is the agentic system's biggest unlock. Line managers (who were never trained to teach) can now run training-on-demand for their teams. - Economic rents in SaaS migrate back to the LLMs. The wrappers are exposed. Survival means knowing what kind of company you actually are. - For kids navigating this: maintain a love of learning AND the meta-skill of knowing how to learn. Your maps don't apply to their territory. 📚 RESOURCES: Degreed: https://degreed.com David Blake's LinkedIn post on Learning Rewired: https://www.linkedin.com/in/davidblake/ The Expertise Economy (book): https://www.amazon.com/Expertise-Economy-Smartest-Companies-Succeed/dp/1473677009 Top of the Hill All Girls Secondary School: https://topofthehillgss.org/ Mary Murimi (Top of the Hill founder): https://www.linkedin.com/in/mary-murimi-9402b82a/ Patti Constantakis (Walmart.org, on the skills cold-start): https://www.linkedin.com/in/patti-constantakis/ VICE.RUN — bipartisan VP election reform: https://vice.run/ Eric Hoffer — "Learners inherit the earth": https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eric_Hoffer Sangeet Paul Choudary's Reshuffle (referenced by David — see our Ep 18 conversation with Sangeet): https://www.youtube.com/@TheMegandAmyShow NYT on the Vox Media / James Murdoch sale: https://www.nytimes.com/2026/05/20/business/media/vox-media-james-murdoch-sale.html 🔗 CONNECT: David Blake: https://www.linkedin.com/in/davidblake/ Submit Leadership Questions: megandamyshow@gmail.com Instagram: @megandamyshow LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/the-meg-amy-show YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@TheMegandAmyShow #SkillsAgenda #AIStrategy #LeaderLedLearning #SaaSpocalypse #Degreed #EdTech #FutureOfWork #LeadershipInTheAIEra #MegAndAmyShow
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  • Episode 46 | Are You Making Me Money or Saving Me Money? | Maria Colacurcio

    Episode 46 | Are You Making Me Money or Saving Me Money? | Maria Colacurcio
    Jun 12 2026
    🚀 Maria Colacurcio asked her own AI agent to pull a code repository. Three times. It refused — and directed her to men on her team. That moment is the throughline of an episode about what's actually breaking in compensation, what AI buyers will spend on now, and the org-design conversation every founder is dodging. Maria is the CEO of Syndio — the company that defined the market for pay-equity software and is now pioneering Decision Intelligence for Pay. Customers include Walmart, Microsoft, and Salesforce. ⏰ TIMESTAMPS: 00:00 Cold open 00:41 Welcome 01:38 The Starbucks origin story — Rob Porcarelli and the 150-page crosstab report 04:32 The Pay Fairy: governing the pay decision at the moment of decision 10:55 "Be a little reckless" + you cannot cram AI learning in 15-minute gaps 14:42 The ClickUp read — wide bands, $1M packages, and systemic underleveling 21:20 The leapfrog: skills-based pay → outcome-based pay → outcome-based pricing 22:51 Anthropic's pricing change and Maria's 4-bucket hard-ROI framework 27:38 Glass box, not black box — the pay-decision audit trail 30:28 Market data is one input — not the anchor 33:33 Cindy the agent + "fluid, not full-time" domain expertise 40:21 The $40M → $100M reset: "Am I still the right person for this job?" 47:19 The LinkedIn moment — what Maria's own AI agent told her, three times 51:34 Leadership Corner — laid off, networking, and the market that moved past you 59:05 Wrap 🔑 KEY INSIGHTS: - AI vendors face a new bar: "Are you making me money, or saving me money?" The era of AI-for-AI's-sake is ending. - Pay decisions belong in a glass box, not a black box — every input, model version, override, and human-in-the-loop adjustment logged. - Wide pay bands don't break pay equity by themselves. They raise the stakes — every $1M package needs a defensible "why." - "You cannot cram AI learning in 15 minutes between meetings." Leaders modeling AI fluency need real headspace, on weekends and evenings. - The org reset from $40M to $100M needs specialists, not all-around athletes. And the founder question every sitting CEO is dodging is "am I still the right person for this job?" - Domain expertise has to be fluid, not full-time — hire your AI vendor SMEs forward, not in-house. 📚 RESOURCES: Syndio: https://synd.ioZev Eigen (Syndio co-founder): https://synd.io/authors/zev-eigen/ Steve Magness (Man in the Arena): https://www.stevemagness.com/ Trung Phan (referenced in the LinkedIn story): https://www.readtrung.com/ 🔗 CONNECT: Maria Colacurcio: https://www.linkedin.com/in/mariacolacurcio/ Instagram: @megandamyshow LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/megandamyshow #PayEquity #PayGovernance #AIBias #AIROI #ResponsibleAI #LeadershipInTheAIEra #FoundersJourney #MegAndAmyShow
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