In this special crossover episode, Michael Gungor shares an intimate reflection from his new Loving This podcast series, Magnificat — a journey through the songs, symbols, and spiritual questions behind his latest album.

This episode centers on Mary — the divine feminine, the cosmic mother, and the presence of love that births the world again and again. Through story, song, and meditation, Michael explores how the archetype of Mary lives in all of us — as compassion, surrender, and creative power.

It’s both a return and a beginning — a bridge between The Liturgists and what’s emerging next.

Stay tuned for a new season of The Liturgists coming early next year: conversations with voices that help us feel a little less alone.

Michael Gungor talks about how he's been church shopping and how the Internet has reacted to it as well as his thoughts and feelings around this unexpected burst of cultural conversation

Sally Kempton (January 15, 1943 – July 10, 2023) was an American swami, author, and spiritual teacher. This interview with Michael Gungor from the final year of Sally's time on this planet covers a range of topics from the divine feminine to kundalini to trans-rational perspective. You can check out more of Sally's work at sallykempton.com