In Part 2 of Durable Learning Camp, we dive into all eight durable learning principles by reading their original definitions from the ancient scripture, which was dug up from an archeological dig of Jake's closet. We unpack what each one means, why it matters, and how they connect, plus a quick update on how practice and reflection have evolved since the framework's early days.

00:00 Intro and banter

02:36 Durable Learning Setup

03:19 Relevant

04:41 Engaging

06:53 Contextual

08:40 Effortful

15:19 Generative

17:45 Social

22:04 Practice

26:28 Reflection

30:12 Do Principles Still Hold?

34:16 Wrap Up

ARTICLE REFERENCED

https://www.mckinsey.com/featured-insights/people-in-progress/designing-for-the-cognitive-cost-of-change

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Part 3 of Durable Learning camp, we discuss what facilitators, or teachers of others, need to know about durable learning principles and how those principles may be challenged in a world of agentic AI. We explore how facilitation choices can unintentionally compromise durable learning and share tactics on how to retain effectiveness throughout the experience. We also debate AI’s impact on when teaching others, emphasizing effortful practice, productive friction, metacognition, and more.

00:00 Cold Open and Banter

02:56 Why Facilitators Need Principles

06:42 Facilitation Tactics

16:55 Energy Recovery in Sessions

18:27 How AI Effects Teaching process

23:05 Intentionality and Metacognition

30:58 Wrap and Signoff

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In the final episode of Durable Learning Camp, we focus on the learner’s role in making learning stick, framing it as preparation, learning in the moment, and consolidation. We break each of these three areas down and provide practical techniques (e.g., bias awareness, generative note-taking, distraction-free reflection). We take a quick detour to share learning myths and introduce “learning accelerators” such as exercise, nutrition, stress management, and sleep.

This episode closes Season 8, and we want to give you a HUGE THANK YOU for being a listener! We’re very thankful for your support and continue to look forward to building this community.

00:00 Cold Open and Banter

00:27 Summer Camp Catch Up

02:12 Role of Learner in Durable Learning

04:17 Preparing to Learn

11:16 In the Flow of Learning

17:33 Learning Myths

24:05 Consolidating What I’ve Learned

26:39 Learning Accelerators

31:06 Wrap Up

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We kick off a multi-episode our "durable learning camp". Today's episode focuses on the fundamentals of durable learning. We share personal learning examples from pinball, woodworking, and journaling to show durability in action, plus how AI tools intersect with metacognition and role-play practice. Consider this the fundamentals refresher before our next episode where we dig deeper into each principle.

00:00 Summer Camp Kickoff

00:33 Where have we been?

01:33 Movies and Broadway detour

06:58 Durable Learning Summer Camp Intro

07:58 Eight Principles Recap

12:05 Spaced Practice Pinball Story

15:38 Woodworking Skills and Recall

19:41 Experiential Learning and Journaling

24:39 AI Roleplays and Metacognition

29:54 Summer Agenda and Wrap Up

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In part two, Dr. Megan Cuzzolino, Dr. Lauren Hodges, and Jessica Billiet dig into what prevents curiosity in our kids, our workplaces, and ourselves. From the neuroscience of dopamine and threat response, to how schools and organizations are designed for speed over exploration, the conversation gets practical. What does it take to protect the margin where curiosity lives? And what can leaders do to model and cultivate it? Part 2 of 2.

00:00 Intro

02:02 Neuroscience of Curiosity

05:39 Aperture Threat and Learning

10:35 Failure Safety and Workplace

21:23 Curiosity Needs Margin

24:14 Awe and Context for Kids

29:00 Patience and Social Safety

31:59 Leader Takeaways and Wrap

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Megan - https://pz.harvard.edu/who-we-are/people/megan-powell-cuzzolino

Lauren - https://www.performance-on-purpose.com/about

Jessica - https://www.linkedin.com/in/jessicabilliet/

RESOURCES

Reflection Guide: Making Space for Everyday Awe: https://bpb-us-e1.wpmucdn.com/websites.harvard.edu/dist/a/108/files/2025/10/Making-Space-for-Everyday-Awe-Reflection-Tool.pdf

Reflecting on Your Learning in the Workplace: https://nextlevellab.gse.harvard.edu/learning-modules/reflecting-on-your-learning-in-the-workplace/

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What's the difference between curiosity, awe, and wonder and why does it matter for learning? In this episode, we welcome back three friends of the podcast: Dr. Megan Cuzzolino, researcher and educator at Harvard's Next Level Lab, Dr. Lauren Hodges, human performance researcher, and Jessica Billiet, neuroscience-informed change leader. Together, they explore curiosity as an epistemic emotion, the relationship between awe and meaning, and why widening our aperture might be the antidote to fear-based thinking. Part 1 of 2.

00:00 Cold Open

01:33 Dana Gets Meta-Curious

04:52 Meet Megan: Awe & Epistemic Emotions

07:23 Quick Curiosity vs. Sustained Interest

09:56 Does Learning Kill Awe?

11:12 Awe as Motivation at Work

14:00 Curiosity, Wonder & Vastness

21:02 Awe, Meaning & Purpose

24:18 Meet Lauren: Curiosity as Aperture

29:52 Curiosity as the Antidote to Stress

31:27 Reframing Fear with Curiosity

34:15 Wrap Up & Part 2 Preview

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Megan - https://pz.harvard.edu/who-we-are/people/megan-powell-cuzzolino

Lauren - https://www.performance-on-purpose.com/about

Jessica - https://www.linkedin.com/in/jessicabilliet/

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Recorded live at SXSW EDU 2026, Jake and Bob sit down with Dr. Tessa Forshaw from the Harvard Graduate School of Education to explore metacognition in an AI-driven world. Tessa unpacks why our brains naturally offload thinking to AI, the power of productive friction, and what it takes to keep our own reasoning sharp. We close the show with simple strategies everyone can apply.

00:00 Cold Open

00:37 Live Show and Intro of Tessa

04:56 Metacognition in the AI Era

12:46 How to Stay Metacognitive with AI

17:26 Think While You Work, Not After

19:40 Productive Friction Explained

23:09 The Current Divide with EdTech

30:00 Practical Moves and Closing

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Dan Bielenberg was one of the original learning geeks who spent 25 years in adult learning at Accenture. After retiring, he only deepened that curiosity. His learning path took him through seminary studies, becoming a hospice chaplain, and now coaching faculty in higher education. Dan shares how stepping away from the corporate world opened a new chapter of intentional, reflective learning. We explore self-awareness, emotional intelligence, being present, and why the best learners never retire.

00:00 Cold Open

01:38 Learning from Seminary and Hospice

09:59 Strengths Coaching in Academia

17:13 Emotional Intelligence Matters

21:42 EdTech and Distracted Learner

25:16 Microlearning Revisited

29:55 What I'd Tell My Younger

34:45 One Last Thing…

36:10 Closing

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