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In this powerful episode of the Journey to Freedom Podcast, Dr. B sits down with Jay Boykin—former corporate executive, DEI leader, fractional CFO, podcaster, and author of Just Human—for a deeply honest conversation about identity, leadership, fatherhood, and legacy.

Jay shares his journey growing up in the South, navigating predominantly white corporate spaces, and wrestling with impostor syndrome while climbing the ranks from financial analyst to Vice President.

He opens up about the inner voices many Black men battle daily—the doubts, the narratives placed on us, and the armor we wear to survive in the world—and what it takes to finally lay that armor down at home, in relationships, and within ourselves.

Together, Dr. B and Jay explore the power of mentorship, the responsibility of pulling others forward, the importance of asking for help, and why success without humanity is empty. From Lego metaphors and corporate pivots to vulnerable conversations about fatherhood, fear, and faith, this episode is a masterclass in becoming whole—not just successful.

In this episode, you’ll learn:

• How identity is shaped (and reshaped) in spaces where you don’t feel you belong
• Why impostor syndrome lingers—and how to silence it
• The difference between wearing armor to survive and removing it to love
• How mentors change the trajectory of a life—and how to pay it forward
• Why legacy may be the most important pillar of all
• What it really means to be “Just Human” in leadership, business, and relationships

This conversation isn’t just about success—it’s about freedom, connection, and becoming the person you were always meant to be.

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In this episode of the Journey Freedom Podcast, Dr. B sits down with Joe Sanders—CEO of Colorado Uplift and a 23-year Air Force veteran—for a moving conversation about purpose, service, leadership, and what it means to truly invest in the next generation.

Joe shares how his father’s post-military choices (serving in group homes, counseling, and pastoring a small church in an impoverished Louisiana neighborhood) once confused him—but later became the blueprint for Joe’s own calling. A pivotal moment came when Joe spoke to teenage boys in a Louisiana group home and realized they couldn’t imagine a future beyond “four street corners.” That contrast—against the limitless possibilities he heard from cadets at the Air Force Academy—sparked a prayerful transition that eventually led him to Colorado Uplift, an organization built on long-term, life-changing relationships with urban youth.

Together, Dr. B and Joe unpack identity and “the Sanders brand,” leadership without judgment, accountability rooted in relationship (not authority), the dangers of comparison in the social media era, and why becoming the person you’re called to be must come before what you do and what you have. Joe also shares daily rhythms that keep him growing—faith, reading, and meaningful conversations—and closes with a vision for Colorado Uplift’s exciting new campus initiative.

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A trust workshop lit the spark—and a movement took shape. Dr. B opens up about the moment he realized great leadership content wasn’t reaching the communities he cared about, and how that conviction became a mission to spotlight everyday excellence among Black men. Then we meet Dr. John Moreland, whose life bridges the Air Force, law enforcement, the pulpit, and the classroom. His story is equal parts grit and grace: a childhood call to preach, decades of military leadership, and the day he broke the thin blue line to stop an assault—and paid for it with his career.

What follows is a wide-ranging, grounded conversation about how trust is built, how history shapes our present, and what it takes to lead without losing your soul. John makes a crucial distinction: most people aren’t racist, but many of us are race-ignorant. Without honest history—civil rights, policing, segregation’s legacy, and the long tail of slavery—we miss why stereotypes persist and policies fail. He also reframes fatherhood with a line that lingers: don’t just give kids what you didn’t have; teach them what you didn’t know. From budgeting at the kitchen table to narrating decisions during a game, formation happens in the small rooms of daily life.

We tackle algorithms and attention too. Much of what we scroll is engineered to divide. John’s advice is clear: go find credible information; don’t let content find you. Guard your eyes and ears. Fact-check before you share. And for those hungry to go deeper, he shares accessible routes into theological education and a civil rights learning journey that connects faith, justice, and advocacy across Atlanta, Birmingham, and Montgomery.

Come for the story of courage and consequence; stay for the practical steps that make families stronger and communities wiser. If this resonated, subscribe, share it with a friend, and leave a review with the one insight you’re acting on this week.

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