Two members of Congress, one Republican and one Democrat, had a meeting recently where they fundamentally disagreed about the meaning of the sheep and the goats in Matthew 25. Their disagreement has now spilled into the media. Why has this chapter of the Bible become the new dividing line between Christians in the public square? Kaityn interviews Tish Harrison Warren about her new book about Christian resilience and what disillusioned believers can learn from the desert mothers and fathers. And fifty years ago, the media declared 1976 the "Year of the Evangelicals." The Holy Post crew discusses one historian's look back at that year and debates whether it was really the turning point for American evangelicalism.

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1:50 - Theme Song

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6:23 - America 250 Celebration

12:44 - The Turning Point of Evangelicalism

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30:37 - Does Matthew 25 Apply to Nations?

46:20 - Interview

49:42 - Weariness

56:30 - Desert Mothers and Fathers

1:04:00 - What is Acedia?

1:19:13 - Become All Flame

1:29:17 - End Credits

Links Mentioned in News Segment:

Growing Divide Over Matthew 25:

https://religionnews.com/2026/07/01/in-congress-a-growing-divide-over-matthew-25/?utm_medium=social

Christianity Today on the Turning Point for Evangelicalism:

https://www.christianitytoday.com/2026/06/1976-was-a-turning-point-for-evangelicalism-george-marsden-history/?utm_source=flipboard&utm_content=topic/christianity

Other Resources:

What Grows in Weary Lands: On Christian Resilience by Tish Harrison Warren:

https://a.co/d/0bJc9P34

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The United States is turning 250 this week, but the country is divided about the anniversary. Should the country celebrate or lament? Historian Robert Tracy McKenzie joins Skye to talk about the ongoing fight over how to tell America's story, why we reject nuance, and what he saw at the Rededicate 250 event in Washington, D.C. that made him concerned. Kaitlyn offers her take on a New York Times interview with Louise Perry about rethinking the sexual revolution. Perry argues, as a non-believer, for the recovery of sexual ethics that seem very Christian. What does that say about our culture's fatigue with secularism? Also this week—AI finds proof that your parents were right about the music you listen to, and the World Cup is revealing the decency of average Americans.

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3:24 - Rededicate

5:12 - World Cup Brings World Together

11:24 - Pop Music's Moral Slide

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23:08 - New Sexual Revolution?

54:09 - Interview

58:10 - Unblemished America

1:03:15 - Credal or Racial Nation?

1:11:40 - Founding Father's Private Faith

1:19:53 - Wanting a Positive Vision

1:28:08 - End Credits

Links Mentioned in News Segment:

Louise Perry on the Sexual Revolution:

https://www.nytimes.com/2026/06/25/opinion/gender-sexual-revolution-men-women.html

Pop Music has Become Less Moral:

https://www.newsweek.com/music-has-got-nastier-since-60s-study-says-12119675

Other Resources:

How America Gave Up on Its Own History:

https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/2026/07/american-history-common-narrative/687301/

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Over the last decade, white evangelicals in the U.S. have lost their moral credibility. In response, Peter Wehner says the church should embrace a form of "Christian humanism." The Holy Post crew discusses his article, what he gets right, and why that label may be a barrier for some. Kaitlyn interviews biblical scholar Michael Rhodes about his book,"Reimagining Biblical Politics: What Scripture Says About Public Life and Why It Matters." Rather than looking to specific verses to define our political positions, Rhodes says we must allow all of Scripture to shape our imaginations and then use discernment as we engage our unique political context. Also this week—controversy over the design of the Obama Presidential Center in Chicago, how faith-based apps are gamifying Christianity, and the benefits of talking to dogs.

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5:57 - Talking to Dogs Makes Ya Smart?

11:41 - Obama Presidential Center

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30:57 - Turning Prayer into an App

57:22 - Interview

1:04:42 - What Do We Mean by "Politics?"

1:15:40 - The Ambiguity of Esther

1:23:30 - Scripture Transforms Politics

1:34:26 - End Credits

Links Mentioned in News Segment:

The Commodification of Christianity:

https://www.freyaindia.co.uk/p/the-commodification-of-christianity

American Christians Face a Choice:

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/2026/06/christian-humanism-trump-choice/687475/

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crossRhodes: Reimagining Biblical Politics:

https://pod.link/1888014284?view=apps&sort=popularity

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