What if 150 years of biblical archaeology hasn't produced a single find that contradicts the Bible?

That's the claim Dinesh D'Souza makes in this conversation about his new book, The Stones Cry Out. We talk about the artifacts quietly coming out of the ground in Israel — including the bones of Caiaphas, the clay seal of a minor character from Jeremiah, and the recently confirmed location of Bethsaida — and why most of this isn't being shouted from the rooftops.

We also get into:
- Why younger generations are drawn to socialism (and how "crony capitalism" fuels it)
- The modern state of Israel as prophecy fulfilled
- Why Dinesh has been publicly challenging Calvinism
- The Pool of Siloam, the Garden Tomb, and the Church of the Holy Sepulchre
- His years inside the Reagan administration
- A lunch with Richard Nixon
- Fried bananas, My Cousin Vinny, and Breaker Morant

Dinesh is a filmmaker, author, and friend, and this one covers a lot of ground — from apologetics to American history to personal stories.

Pick up The Stones Cry Out wherever you get your books.

Timestamps

00:00 Cold open
00:18 Welcoming Dinesh D'Souza
00:50 What's so great about America
03:04 Why young people are drawn to socialism
05:04 Capitalism without a moral base
07:03 The Stones Cry Out and biblical archaeology
10:29 The Caiaphas ossuary and Pilate findings
13:44 The Pools of Bethesda and Siloam
16:14 Garden Tomb vs Church of the Holy Sepulchre
18:12 Israel's rebirth as fulfilled prophecy
20:45 The Dead Sea Scrolls connection
22:33 Balaam, son of Beor, and the skeptics
24:58 When unbelief isn't really intellectual
27:05 Atheism as revenge against God
29:20 The problem with Calvinist predestination
32:33 Rethinking total depravity
34:30 Evangelicals, Arminians, and biblicists
37:49 Reconciling free will and God's choice
38:37 Favorite comfort food
39:10 The three films Dinesh is proudest of
41:35 Islam, the left, and a common enemy
43:04 Movies he'll rewatch every time
45:03 Having lunch with Richard Nixon
47:41 Inside Reagan's ranch
49:31 Should Christians send kids to secular colleges
51:14 Advice to a younger Dinesh
53:09 Closing thoughts on The Stones Cry Out

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Rick Rubin is considered by many to be the greatest music producer alive today. His work spans the Red Hot Chili Peppers, Run-DMC, Adele, U2, Neil Diamond, and his legendary American Recordings with Johnny Cash.

He has also become one of the most influential voices in culture. His interviews include Paul McCartney in McCartney 3,2,1 and Jay-Z in the HBO series JAŸ-Z in 8. On his podcast, Tetragrammaton, he recently sat down with Neil Young.

Now add one more name to that list: Pastor Greg Laurie.

In this unusual episode, legendary producer Rick Rubin turns the microphone around and interviews Greg about his life, faith, and the Jesus Movement that shaped him. The conversation moves at the pace of a long dinner between curious friends. Greg answers Rick's questions about faith, baptism, communion, the Holy Spirit, the Sabbath, and whether the God of the Old Testament really differs from the God of the New. He also speaks candidly about losing his son Christopher and what grief taught him about ministering to people in pain.

Listen to the original episode on Rick Rubin's Podcast:
Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/pastor-greg-laurie/id1671669052?i=1000793610276
Youtube: https://youtu.be/KGR27hIf8Ow?si=v6Zp5ihvgBCQB2Wv

Timestamps:
00:00 Open
00:06 Welcome and how the Rick Rubin interview came together
04:17 Salt and light: pastor vs evangelist
06:46 Growing up with a Marilyn Monroe mother and seven stepfathers
08:46 Meeting the Jesus freaks and Lonnie Frisbee on campus
11:54 Who Lonnie Frisbee really was
17:00 Chuck Smith, the steady father figure
18:46 Conditions that sparked the Jesus Revolution
23:00 Was it just LA, or everywhere?
25:53 Deepening faith and losing his son Christopher
32:31 Always learning: how understanding Scripture grows
39:51 Learning about Jesus after conversion
42:02 Starting Harvest without meaning to start a church
46:36 Friendship with Billy Graham
50:09 Jesus's teachings vs church theology
51:53 What faith actually is
55:06 The Holy Spirit explained
58:47 When burnt offerings stopped
01:00:43 Baptism and the recent baptism movement
01:03:25 Communion and the Last Supper
01:07:00 How Greg prepares a sermon
01:12:23 Is the Old Testament God more judgmental?
01:15:31 Music, Love Song, and the birth of Christian music
01:22:36 Church as grassroots vs industry
01:25:08 What's stayed the same since Jesus's time
01:27:12 Social media, TV, and the vet with the loaded gun
01:29:34 The Sabbath and resting
01:31:17 Bob Dylan's conversion and Slow Train Coming
01:33:07 Did you choose Jesus or did Jesus choose you?

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What would you have done during the Holocaust? Rev. Jonnie Moore says that's no longer a hypothetical question.

In this conversation, Pastor Greg Laurie sits down with Johnnie Moore—advisor to presidents, humanitarian, and one of the most connected evangelical voices on the global stage—three years after the October 7th attacks on Israel.

We cover:
• What actually happened on October 7th (and why the world moved on too quickly)
• Hamas, Iran, and the reshaping of the Middle East
• The surge of antisemitism on both the left and the right
• Feeding Gaza while Hamas stole aid
• Sharing the gospel with Muslims and Jews
• Why Silicon Valley is quietly calling pastors about AI
• What President Trump is really like behind closed doors
• The best piece of advice Johnnie ever received — from a rabbi

Johnnie grew up moving 20 times before age 12, ended up at Liberty under Jerry Falwell Sr., and now works at the intersection of faith, foreign policy, and emerging technology. His story — and his warnings — are worth your time.

Subscribe for more conversations like this.

Timetamps

00:30 Meet Johnnie Moore
02:03 Growing up in the Deep South after her parents' divorce
03:00 The balloon-animal mentor who taught her business
04:34 Finding faith as her parents' marriage fell apart
06:40 Moving to Lynchburg and landing at Liberty
08:20 How Jerry Falwell Sr. became a father figure
11:54 Three years after October 7th
16:46 What Hamas and Iran were really trying to do
21:14 The genocide accusation and feeding Gaza
26:00 Advising Trump on Iran and the nuclear red line
30:51 Sharing the gospel with Muslims and Jews
41:03 Leading a Jewish friend to Christ on FaceTime
44:10 Why evangelicals must stand against antisemitism now
48:26 Bots, bot farms, and the global information war
53:49 Why so many pastors are afraid to speak up
56:15 Is AI a blessing or a threat?
01:01:23 Why Silicon Valley is calling pastors
01:06:19 AI as therapy and the church's human advantage
01:07:30 Advice to a younger Johnnie: take more risks
01:11:16 What would surprise you about President Trump
01:16:00 The best advice she ever got, from a rabbi

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