In this powerful and refreshingly honest conversation, Chad sits down with Cat Greenleaf of the Soberness podcast for a deep dive into spirituality, addiction, recovery, and what it really means to come home to yourself.

Cat traces her journey from a spiritually attuned child to a successful public figure quietly struggling with alcoholism—and ultimately to a woman living openly and intentionally in recovery. Together, Chad and Cat explore the messy middle: the isolation of addiction, the courage it takes to ask for help, and the life-changing importance of community and connection.

The conversation unpacks the role of the 12-step program and Alcoholics Anonymous, while also embracing the truth that recovery is not one-size-fits-all.

Cat speaks candidly about the idea of “whatever works”—honoring multiple pathways to sobriety and meeting people exactly where they are.

They also touch on cultural moments like Dry January, the growing openness around sobriety, and why talking honestly about addiction matters now more than ever.

This episode is about surrender and strength, humility and humor, and the radical power of sharing your story out loud.

And fittingly, this conversation marks the very first episode of Not All There on the Lymbic Podcast Network—a new home for real stories, lived experience, and meaningful conversations at the intersection of addiction, recovery, mental health, and purpose.

Pull up a chair. You’re not alone.Takeaways

• Cat's childhood was marked by spiritual awareness andisolation.

• Alcohol became a coping mechanism for Cat at a young age.

• The 12-step program is a valuable tool for recovery.

• Community support is crucial in the journey of sobriety.

• Sobriety can take many forms, and what works varies byindividual.

• Sharing stories of addiction can help others feel lessalone.

• Alcoholism is a disease that requires personal choice toovercome.

• Dry January can be a positive step for those looking toreduce alcohol consumption.

• Open dialogue about sobriety is essential for breakingstigma.

Cat's Podcast Soberness:

https://soberness.com/

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