In this episode of The Everything In-Between Podcast, we sit down with Grant Sullivan—a former pastor turned restaurant owner from the Tulsa area—for a conversation that’s as honest as it is necessary.

Grant shares what it’s like to step away from vocational ministry after years of believing it was his lifelong calling. What happens when the thing you thought God built you for, suddenly falls apart? How do you process the loss, the identity shift, and the questions that come with it?

Together, we talk through the tension of life “after ministry,” the emotional and spiritual weight of starting over, and what it looks like to move forward when your purpose feels unclear. Whether you’ve experienced a similar transition or just wrestled with seasons of uncertainty, this episode offers a visceral, thoughtful look at rebuilding when everything you knew changes.

This is a conversation about calling, loss, resilience—and finding faith in the in-between.

In this episode of The Everything In-Between Podcast, we’re ditching the heavy topics and just hanging out. It’s me and Schae, no agenda, no deep dives—just good conversation, plenty of laughs, and a lineup of games that go exactly how you’d expect… and sometimes completely off the rails.

From quick-thinking challenges to ridiculous moments we probably shouldn’t admit happened, this episode is all about enjoying the chaos and reminding ourselves (and you) that not everything has to be serious to be meaningful.

If you’ve ever just needed a break to laugh, compete a little, and feel like you’re in the room with a couple of friends—this one’s for you.

This week on The Everything In-Between Podcast, Christian and Schae sit down with longtime friend and musician Travis Johnson for a deep dive into the heart of worship ministry.

Travis shares his musical journey—from playing bass and directing worship teams to crafting his own sound through his project Breach of Demise. Together, we explore how personal backgrounds, church experiences, and musical influences shape the way people approach worship and creativity today.

It’s honest, insightful, and full of those “oh dang, I never thought about that” moments. Whether you’re into ministry, music production, or just love hearing passionate people talk about their craft, this episode has something for you.

In this debut episode, Christian and and Schae dive into the often unseen burden that comes with being a follower of Christ in the public eye. From their own experiences as worship leaders to the high-pressure world of well-known pastors like Steven Furtick, they unpack what it really means to live under constant scrutiny—both online and in the church.

With honesty, humor, and a refreshing level of vulnerability, the conversation explores how the weight of influence can shape a person over time, the emotional toll it takes, and why Christians must choose compassion over criticism. Instead of judging leaders who are navigating overwhelming expectations, Christian and Schae challenge listeners to consider how the Church can respond with grace, understanding, and support.

Whether you’ve served on a church stage, lived with the pressure to “get it right,” or simply want a better understanding of what Christian leaders endure, this episode offers a heartfelt and thought-provoking look at the everything in-between of faith, influence, and humanity.

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In this trailer, we flip the mic and interview Schae, co-host of The Everything In-Between Podcast! Get to know the heart behind the show, what makes him tick, and why this podcast exists. From faith-filled stories to fun tangents — it all starts here. Tune in and meet the one of the guys who’ll be guiding us through life’s chaos, comedy, and calling...and everything in between.

In this trailer, we flip the mic and interview Christian, co-host of The Everything In-Between Podcast! Get to know the heart behind the show, what makes him tick, and why this podcast exists. From faith-filled stories to fun tangents — it all starts here. Tune in and meet the one of the guys who’ll be guiding us through life’s chaos, comedy, and calling...and everything in between.