Michelle Warner took the “escapee avoidance” route — she planned to do the traditional MBA-to-consulting path… then graduated straight into the Great Recession (the day Lehman fell). That curveball pushed her into entrepreneurship early: a founder-for-hire role turning a multi-billion-dollar foundation asset into a business, followed by a mission-driven tech startup, and eventually her current work helping small business owners design the next iteration of their business.

This is a tactical episode about what actually works when you’re leaving corporate: why you should “throw spaghetti at the wall” early, how to stop doing random coffee chats, and how to use relationship marketing and audience borrowing to land clients faster — without turning into a sales robot.

What you’ll learn

• Why “sequence over strategy” matters more than the perfect plan

• The hidden risk of being too strict and narrow early on (and why it creates regret later)

• How Michelle built her business through relationship marketing, not content churn

• “Audience borrowing” as the fastest way to build trust and pipeline

• How to approach connector conversations vs. client conversations

• Why your early goal is simple: learn how to make money and stack wins

• A practical way to think about packaging: repeatable frameworks, flexible middle

Key moments / highlights

• Graduating into chaos: the day Lehman fell and what it changed

• Founder-for-hire: getting a salary while living the startup founder life

• Affordable internet in inner cities — and what customers actually did with it

• “Fractional CEO” before fractional was trendy

• The rule: don’t build with blinders on for too long

• The shift from “networking for jobs” to networking as a long-term business asset

• The line that matters: say something that people can’t “unsee” after the call

Michelle’s core concepts (worth stealing)

• Sequence over strategy: the order of moves beats the elegance of the plan

• Throw spaghetti first: test offers, clients, and problems before you commit

• Connection avatar: define who’s worth meeting so networking doesn’t waste your life

• Trust transfer: get introduced through people/places your audience already trusts

• Audience borrowing: build relationships with people who “own the room” your clients are in

Best quote energy

• “Learn all the rules so you can go break them.”

• “It’s more important the order you do things than how good you are at it.”

• “I’m totally unemployable.” (Escapee anthem)

Connect with Michelle

• Website: themichellewarner.com

• Podcast: Sequence Over Strategy (short, practical episodes; curated playlists on her site)

Connect with Brett / The Escapee ecosystem

• If corporate is broken and you’re looking at an exit strategy, this is your sign.

• Join the community: TheEscapeeCollective.com

If you’ve been thinking about leaving corporate but the risk feels too big, this episode gives you a smarter way to look at it.

Brett sits down with Alex Smereczniak, a former EY consultant who left corporate early, built a high-growth business in the laundry space, and later launched Franzy—a platform designed to make franchising easier to research and navigate.

This conversation covers the mindset shift that helps people stop overestimating the risk of leaving, plus why franchising can be an underrated “business with guardrails” path for escapees who want ownership without building from scratch.

What we cover

• Alex’s escape story: college entrepreneurship → EY → leaving after a year and change

• The moment that validated his decision: an EY partner’s biggest career regret

• Why fear is often self-created—and how to get past it

• A practical worst-case scenario exercise to reset your risk tolerance

• Why franchising is a business model, not an industry

• Franzy’s concept: “Zillow for buying and selling franchise businesses”

• How AI + coaching can narrow thousands of franchise options into a realistic short list

• Underrated franchise categories and trends (senior care, home services, turf, and more)

• The “corporate is one customer” reframe—and why ownership builds equity

Key timestamps (approx.)

• 00:00–03:30 – Alex’s corporate stint + why he left fast

• 03:30–08:30 – The EY exit interview story: “It wasn’t my ladder”

• 08:30–12:30 – Why making money outside corporate is more possible than people think

• 12:30–20:30 – The worst-case scenario exercise (the fear-killer)

• 20:30–28:30 – Alex’s journey building a scaled laundry business + why franchising clicked

• 28:30–33:30 – What franchising actually is (and what most people misunderstand)

• 33:30–40:30 – Franchise categories you probably haven’t considered

• 40:30–46:30 – Equity, control, and why “owning” beats “leasing” your career

Big takeaways

• Most people overestimate the risk of leaving corporate. The real risk is staying dependent on one employer.

• You don’t need a perfect plan. You need small wins and momentum—then you adjust.

• Franchising can be a fast path to ownership because you start with a proven playbook, support, and guardrails.

• Ownership builds equity. A job pays you, but it doesn’t typically create an asset you can sell.

Who this episode is for

• Corporate pros who want out but feel stuck because of risk, family, or finances

• Escapees who want a “business with guardrails” instead of starting from scratch

• Anyone curious about franchising beyond the usual fast-food stereotypes

Resources + links

• Franzy https://franzy.com/

• Alex on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/alex-smereczniak-40310329/

Tom Mirabella left corporate at 30 and never looked back. Seventeen years later, he’s built Wingman into a 25-person business by doing what corporate rarely rewards: solving problems fast, betting on relationships, and staying obsessively close to customers.

In this conversation, Tom breaks down his escape story, why “local + in-person” is making a comeback, and how Wingman’s franchise model flips the typical franchise script — where the franchisee focuses on relationships and sales while the central team handles fulfillment and delivery.

If you’re stuck in corporate and can’t see a path out, this episode gives you a practical look at what “building your own lane” can really look like — without pretending it’s easy.

Join the Escapee Collective: TheEscapeeCollective.com

What You’ll Learn

• Why Tom left corporate early (and what corporate policies taught him about ceilings)

• The side-hustle-to-business path: how one small project turned into real clients

• How to think about risk when leaving: your monthly “number” vs. replacing a salary

• Why entrepreneurship can swing from best day to worst day in 30 minutes — and how to handle it

• The “digital mayor” concept: becoming the trusted local hub in your town

• Why Tom believes physical locations + community presence still win in a digital world

• A modern franchise approach: franchisee sells + builds relationships, HQ team delivers

• Why customer service and trust are the real differentiators in crowded markets

Key Quotes

• “The problem’s now. Two weeks from now, it’s worse.”

• “As an entrepreneur, you can have the best and worst day within a half hour.”

• “I want you to be the digital mayor of your town.”

• “If you do what you love, the money follows.”

Mentioned in This Episode

• COBRA and how Tom thought about early-stage risk

• Networking groups, chambers, community events, and “planting seeds”

• Using a podcast as a lead generator (and why it worked)

Connect with Tom

• Email: Tom at wingmanplanning.com

• Website: WingmanPlanning.com

• Social: Instagram / Facebook / TikTok / LinkedIn (search “Wingman Planning”)