MKUltra: A top-secret CIA program born in the Cold War, built around terrifying questions: can you control a human being? Can you delete and insert memories, break a mind, or make a person bend to your will?

In this episode of The Truth of the Matter, Natasha Zouves sits down with Michael Evans of the National Security Archive — a man so committed to transparency he has spent his career hunting down, declassifying, and analyzing thousands of government records to reconstruct what the public was never meant to see.

We dig into what MKUltra was designed to do, and what it became: experiments with drugs like LSD, psychological manipulation, and an especially chilling tactic the agency saw as useful: “discrediting” — making someone appear unstable, unreliable, even “insane.” The rabbit hole goes all the way to covert plots targeting world leaders like Fidel Castro, including ideas that sound like Hollywood until you see them in black and white.

Listen to the full conversation and decide for yourself: where does national security end, and abuse of power begin?

The Truth of the Matter with Natasha Zouves isn’t just another podcast — it’s a fight to uncover what powerful institutions want hidden. From secret human experiments the government carried out on unsuspecting citizens to toxic cover-ups poisoning communities, Emmy and Murrow Award-winning journalist Natasha Zouves brings you the stories people in power don’t want told.

We expose evidence buried in archives, amplify the voices of those who’ve been silenced, and hold the powerful accountable. From radioactive “oatmeal experiments” on children, to cancer causing chemicals destroying farms, to veterans erased from history — these are the stories that matter.

This is journalism that refuses to look away. The Truth of the Matter is about transparency, and justice for the people left behind.

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