What really happened during John Chapman's final battle at Roberts Ridge? For the first time on Targeted Podcast, retired Air Force Chief Master Sergeant **Rob Harrison** shares his firsthand account from aboard an AC-130H Spectre gunship during one of the most intense battles in U.S. Special Operations history. On March 4, 2002, Air Force Combat Controller **John Chapman** and a team of Navy SEALs became involved in a desperate battle on a frozen Afghan mountaintop during Operation Anaconda. While the fight unfolded on the ground, Rob Harrison and his crew aboard **GRIM 32** watched from above, coordinated communications, and faced extraordinary decisions under pressure. In this exclusive conversation with retired Air Force Lieutenant Colonel Joshua "Atlas" Aultman, Harrison describes what he witnessed, what the crew knew at the time, and why some decisions surrounding the Battle of Roberts Ridge remain controversial. **In this episode:** - What the AC-130 crew witnessed during John Chapman's final mission - The emergency Mayday call that changed everything - Navy SEALs, Combat Controllers, and the Battle of Takur Ghar - Why the landing zone decision mattered - How a deadly friendly-fire incident affected the following night's mission - Why communication failures can become life-or-death situations - What military leadership looks like when everything goes wrong - The difference between firsthand experience and the stories told afterward This isn't just a military history interview. It's a conversation about **courage, accountability, brotherhood, leadership, and the cost of decisions made under fire.** Whether you're interested in Navy SEALs, Air Force Special Operations, military history, combat leadership, or the mindset required to perform under extreme pressure, this episode offers a rare perspective from someone who was there. **Want the full extended interview?** This public episode is an edited version of a longer conversation. Contact the Targeted Podcast team at win@leaders-kit.com to ask about access. Chapters: 1 Rob Harrison: The AC-130 Gunship Witness 2 The Mayday Call That Changed the Mission 3 John Chapman and the Navy SEAL Team 4 What Happened to Neil Roberts? 5 The AC-130 View of Roberts Ridge 6 The Landing Zone Decision 7 John Chapman's Advance Under Fire 8 Why the Gunship Couldn't Immediately Engage 9 The Friendly-Fire Tragedy Before Roberts Ridge 10 How the Rules of Engagement Changed 11 Who Made the Critical Decisions? 12 The Full Roberts Ridge Interview **ABOUT TARGETED PODCAST** Hosted by retired Air Force Lieutenant Colonel, TEDx speaker, and international bestselling author Joshua "Atlas" Aultman, Targeted Podcast explores leadership, resilience, mental toughness, discipline, and the experiences that forge stronger men. Subscribe for real conversations with combat veterans, elite performers, athletes, and leaders who understand what it takes to perform when it matters most. #JohnChapman #RobertsRidge #NavySEALs #AC130 #TargetedPodcast

What happens when a legendary fighter realizes that fighting was never who he really was? UFC legend Mark Kerr, “The Smashing Machine,” joins retired Air Force Lieutenant Colonel Josh 'Atlas' Aultman on Targeted Podcast for a powerful conversation about MMA, Dwayne “The Rock” Johnson, the psychology of fighting, addiction, mental health, and finding purpose after fame. Mark Kerr reveals a side of professional fighting that few athletes openly discuss: the addictive feeling of breaking an opponent's will. He explains the intense psychological transformation that occurred when he entered the ring and why it took him more than a decade to separate his identity from his fighting career. But this interview goes far beyond the UFC. Mark shares personal stories about his experiences with Dwayne Johnson, Emily Blunt, and director Benny Safdie during the making and promotion of The Smashing Machine. He explains what makes The Rock different behind the scenes, including the extraordinary ability to give someone his complete attention, even when surrounded by hundreds of people. In this episode: - Mark Kerr's untold perspective on the dark psychology of MMA - Why winning and breaking an opponent's will can become addictive - What Dwayne Johnson is really like away from the cameras - The unique superpowers of Emily Blunt, Benny Safdie, and The Rock - The emotional challenges of retiring from professional fighting - Why money, fame, championships, and material success didn't bring fulfillment - Mental health, emotional vulnerability, and personal transformation - Mark Kerr's wellness mission through Live Absolute Wellness - His upcoming book, The Healing Machine - Why human connection matters more than recognition or wealth - Finding your identity after leaving the military, professional sports, or a high-pressure career - “Fighting is what I did. It's not who I am.” — Mark Kerr Atlas and Mark also explore the Rule of 3: people, time, and money, and why the most valuable resource in life isn't a championship belt or a paycheck. It's the time we spend with the people who matter. Whether you're a UFC fan, an athlete moving out of competition, a military veteran, an entrepreneur, or a man searching for greater purpose, this conversation offers lessons about resilience, identity, and what it really means to be strong. CONNECT WITH MARK KERR Instagram: @MarkKerrTSM Absoulute Wellness: https://absoulute-wellness.com/ Learn more about Mark's wellness work through his official social channels. Watch for announcements about his upcoming book, The Healing Machine. ABOUT TARGETED PODCAST Hosted by Atlas Aultman, retired U.S. Air Force Lieutenant Colonel, 2X Bronze Star recipient, TEDx speaker, and bestselling author of Rule of 3 – How Elite Leaders Win. Targeted Podcast features conversations with elite performers, fighters, military leaders, entrepreneurs, and people who have overcome extraordinary adversity. Our mission: Help men become stronger mentally, physically, and personally. Subscribe to Targeted Podcast for real conversations about leadership, resilience, masculinity, mental toughness, and personal growth. QUESTION FOR YOU: If you lost your career, your money, and your titles tomorrow, who would you be? Tell us in the comments. #MarkKerr #TheSmashingMachine #DwayneJohnson #UFC #TargetedPodcast Chapters: 1 Mark Kerr: Life After The Smashing Machine 2 Live Absolute Wellness and the Future of Health 3 Why Reputation Matters More Than Money 4 Mark Kerr on Fame, Millions, and Feeling Empty 5 Why Human Connection Changed His Life 6 Mark Kerr's Personal Stories About Dwayne Johnson 7 Emily Blunt, Benny Safdie, and Their Superpowers 8 Dwayne Johnson's Real Superpower Revealed 9 The Dark Psychology of MMA Fighting 10 Mark Kerr: I Was Addicted to Breaking Their Will 11 The Healing Machine — Mark Kerr's New Book 12 Finding Identity After Leaving the UFC 13 Why Fighting Was Never Who Mark Kerr Really Was 14 Final Lessons on Resilience and Purpose DISCOUNTS FOR OUR COMMUNITY: https://gravity-force.com - best electrolytes, discount code: ATLAS15 https://www.buckedup.com - creatine+ 20% discount: ATLAS25 https://leaders-kit.com - leadership, management, media consultations https://blackeaglecustoms.us/collections/targeted-podcast - Merch https://www.getfightscrub.com - all natural disinfectant, code: FIGHTSCRUBATLAS ****INNER CIRCLE**** Message us at win@leaders-kit.com to join our smaller community, it's FREE and you'll get exclusive access to interviews we don't publish. Share this with someone who would love it. Aim for excellence AND stay on target, thank-you for tuning into TARGETED Podcast.

What happens when one of the most feared fighters in UFC history discovers that his greatest battle isn't inside the cage?

In Part 1 of this exclusive two-part Targeted Podcast interview, UFC Hall of Famer Mark "The Smashing Machine" Kerr joins retired Air Force Lieutenant Colonel Joshua Atlas Aultman for a powerful conversation about the hidden cost of fighting, addiction, sobriety, mental health, and rebuilding life after professional sports.

Known for his legendary career in the UFC and PRIDE Fighting Championships, Mark Kerr became the subject of the groundbreaking documentary The Smashing Machine, later inspiring the feature film starring Dwayne "The Rock" Johnson. But behind the victories, the fame, and the image of an unstoppable fighter was a man fighting battles the public couldn't see. In this conversation, Mark shares how years of competition affected his life, why he struggled with addiction, what eight years of sobriety have taught him, and how he's working to help other retired MMA fighters.

IN THIS EPISODE: The untold story behind The Smashing Machine documentary Mark Kerr's relationship with filmmaker John Greenhalgh How addiction and the pressure to perform affected his career The moment Mark finally opened up about his struggles His experience with brain mapping, TMS, and neurological treatments Why mental health matters for UFC fighters and military veterans How mountain biking became part of his recovery journey Working with Dwayne "The Rock" Johnson on The Smashing Machine His vision for bringing retired UFC fighters together Why sharing your struggles can give someone else the courage to speak WATCH PART 2 Next week, OR, REQUEST THE LINK This is Part 1 of our two-part conversation with Mark Kerr.

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DISCLAIMER: This episode discusses addiction, neurological health, and treatments from Mark Kerr's personal experience. The conversation is not medical advice. Treatment experiences and outcomes vary. #MarkKerr #TheSmashingMachine #UFC #TargetedPodcast #DwayneJohnson

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