Stay Frosty: Wes McKinney, Kenn Software Founder & pandas Creator, on building software with agents

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Wes McKinney is the founder of Kenn Software, the creator of pandas, and the co-creator of Apache Arrow. He went from an AI skeptic writing code in Emacs with no autocomplete two years ago to not writing code by hand at all. At API rates, his last 30 days of coding agent use would have cost $60,178. Listen in to hear how Wes, a top 1% developer, has architected his tech stack to get the most out of coding agents and work around their failure modes. Wes says agents are letting his team build far more software than they ever could before, but it comes with a lot of frustration. He makes the case that the frontier labs have little incentive to make their models write less code, since the more bloated the code base, the more tokens it takes to maintain. In his experience, 70 to 80 percent of agent turns introduce a bug, so agents can't be trusted to act on their own and every piece of work has to be double-checked. His team built accountability into the loop: they have agents commit after every single prompt, review each commit with roborev, and use AgentsView to track exactly where their tokens are spent. They even wrote and open sourced a Clanker Constitution, a set of house rules that bans agents from writing walls of text or spending tokens on work nobody asked for. We also get into which engineering skills still matter when agents write the code, why GitHub keeps going down, and what a developer's job might look like in 2050. 00:00 Introduction 01:04 From AI Skeptic to Believer 07:51 Why Models Get Bloated 18:11 Specs With Superpowers 20:08 Clanker Constitution Rules 26:42 Harnesses and Benchmark Games 36:32 The Real Cost 42:07 Kenn Vision and Tool Stack 48:09 Developers in 2050 Kenn Software: https://kenn.io/ Wes' LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/wesmckinn Cagla’s LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/caglakaymaz/ Cagla’s X: https://x.com/caglakaymazLearn more about Category Ventures: https://www.categoryvc.com/ Produced and edited by Eric Johnson from LightningPod: https://lightningpod.fm/ Theme music composed by DJ La Mano, provided by https://soundtaxi.com/

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