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Station 4 Negotiation

Station 4 Negotiation

Di: Gene Killian
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Station 4 Negotiation: where real stories unlock powerful negotiation strategies. Hosted by Gene Killian, a trial lawyer with 40 years of experience, we skip the gimmicks and distill practical lessons from real-world deals. Understand the art of negotiation through stories, not lists of rules. Here, you'll find practical insights that will help you communicate, collaborate, and close deals with confidence... and change the way you approach every conversation. Remember: negotiation is life.2023 Economia
  • #71 – The Best Negotiator You've Never Heard Of: What Ford's Legendary Labor Man Can Teach Every Dealmaker
    Nov 3 2026

    You've heard the quote: people will forget what you said, people will forget what you did, but people will never forget how you made them feel. Most negotiators measure themselves by the results they walk away with. But that's rarely what anyone remembers about them.

    Medford Q. Lee spent more than 30 years as a labor negotiator at Ford Motor Company, across the table from the UAW. You've probably never heard of him, but the people who worked alongside him never forgot him. Years after his death, they were still telling stories about him to Dr. Gail Southwell for her book Lessons in Leadership, Laughter, and Love.

    One of those stories starts in a heated grievance meeting in 1991, when a union rep levels an ugly personal insult at Lee. Most negotiators would either fight back or shut the meeting down. Lee did neither, and what he did instead says a lot about why he was so effective.

    The episode also covers a habit Lee was known for at the table, one that runs against most people's instincts and costs dealmakers every day.

    These lessons apply well beyond labor talks. Anyone who has watched a negotiation turn personal, or watched a good deal get worse because someone kept talking, will recognize the pattern.

    The best negotiators don't just win the room. They're the ones people still talk about long after they've left it.

    Remember: negotiation is life.

    Mentioned in this episode:

    • Dr. Gail Southwell's website
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    23 min
  • #70 – Iced Coffee in an Interview: What You Signal Before You Speak
    Oct 20 2026

    Is it okay to bring an iced coffee into a job interview? A recruiter's TikTok recently asked the question, and the internet split along generational lines. To younger candidates, it's just a drink. To Gen X and boomers, it says casual, unprepared, and running late.

    But the coffee doesn't mean anything on its own. It means whatever the person across the table decides it means — and in a job interview, which is its own kind of negotiation, that person isn't you.

    The same thing plays out on bigger stages. At a state dinner with President Trump, Xi Jinping skipped his usual Western business suit for a high-collared Mao suit. Trump had spent the day praising their friendship. Xi answered with his wardrobe: we'll talk trade, but we aren't changing who we are.

    This week on S4N, Gene, a lifelong boomer who admits the coffee wouldn't bother him, uses both stories, plus one blurted line from The Godfather, to get at a bigger question: what are you telling the other side before you say a word?

    Every negotiation has a purpose. The coffee, the bag you bring, the offhand comment in the lobby — none of it is neutral. You can be right that it shouldn't matter and still lose an offer because it did.

    Everything you do in a negotiation sends a message. Here's how to ensure it's the one you meant.

    Remember: negotiation is life.

    Mentioned in this episode:

    • "How an Iced Coffee in a Job Interview Sparked a Raging Etiquette Debate" by Julia Munslow, The Wall Street Journal, September 25, 2026
    • "Deep Divides and Missed Deals Cloud Trump-Xi Visit" by Lingling Wei, Yoko Kubota, and Philip Wegmann, The Wall Street Journal, September 25, 2026
    • "What Xi's Grip on His Wife's Hand Tells Us About Power in China" by Lingling Wei, The Wall Street Journal, September 29, 2026
    • The Godfather, the 1972 film directed by Francis Ford Coppola
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    28 min
  • #69 – The Price Is The Price: How to Negotiate Without Lying to Your Customer
    Oct 6 2026

    If you're going to buy one book on negotiation this year, make it this one.

    Most price negotiations begin with a lie. Each side asks for more than it expects to get, both sides know it, and the rest is a slow shuffle of offers, counteroffers, and "that's the best I can do." Todd Caponi's book Four Levers Negotiating asks a simple question: what happens when one side stops playing that game?

    This week on S4N, Gene digs into Caponi's system. Caponi wrote his framework for B2B sellers up against corporate procurement, and he's modest about how far it reaches. Gene thinks he's selling it short. As he walks through one of the book's stories, about a frustrated buyer who insists on monthly billing because that's how everyone does it, he shows that Caponi's approach works well beyond the sales call. The moves that close the deal are the same ones great negotiators have always relied on, from FBI hostage negotiators to diplomats. They just happen in a different room.

    You've been on both sides of this. The counterpart who's venting but sounds like they're attacking. The "policy" that turns out to be habit. The discount you gave away before you'd thought it through. Being straight about how your price is built doesn't weaken your position. It may be the strongest position you have.

    A special thank you to our friend Professor Jeff Hoyle of Central Michigan University for putting this book in Gene's hands.

    Remember: negotiation is life.

    Mentioned in this episode:

    • Four Levers Negotiating: The Simple, Counterintuitive Way to Higher Deal Values and Lasting Trust by Todd Caponi (Matt Holt Books, 2026)
    • Jeffrey Z. Rubin, "Negotiation: An Introduction to Some Issues and Themes," American Behavioral Scientist, Vol. 27, No. 2 (1983)
    • Station 4 Negotiation Episode #9 – Brains Over Brawn: When Getting Frustrated Gets You Nowhere (May 21, 2024)
    • Gene's email: gene@station4negotiation.com
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    28 min
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