Those who know, know Eyal Hulata.

For more than two decades, he operated in the world of Israeli national security, where some of the most consequential work is also the least visible.

He joined the Mossad at 21 and eventually rose to senior leadership, working on missions senior officials had deemed impossible, including the operation to seize Iran's secret nuclear archive. He later served as national security advisor to Prime Ministers Naftali Bennett and Yair Lapid, with Iran, Lebanon, and the U.S.-Israel relationship among the defining issues on his desk.

In this episode of Statecraft, Avi Jorisch takes Hulata well beyond the usual national security conversation.

What happens when your judgment and the prime minister's diverge? Who do you ultimately serve? And does he bear some responsibility for what happened on October 7?

Hulata answers that last question without hesitation and describes the months afterward when he couldn't sleep, and what he has since concluded about how Israel arrived there.

He also talks about his first day at the Mossad, the mentors who shaped him, preparing Bennett's first meeting with Joe Biden, the one moment in his career when he was completely paralyzed, and what he is weighing now about a return to public service.

Statecraft with Avi Jorisch is a production of IEF. Conversations with the people shaping the destiny of Israel and the Jewish people.

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George Deek is Israel's first special envoy to the Christian world, former Israeli Ambassador to Azerbaijan, and an Arab Christian from Jaffa whose family fled in 1948 and came back.

No other country has created the position he holds. Deek fills it as a man who has spent his life outside the categories other people use to understand the Middle East: Arab, Christian, Israeli, and unwilling to surrender any of the three.

In this conversation with Avi Jorisch, recorded live in Jerusalem at the IEF Global Summit, Deek traces the decision that put him in a diplomat's chair rather than a refugee camp, his grandfather's choice to walk back from Lebanon into the country his family had just fled. He describes the conversation with his father the night he was accepted into the foreign ministry, why he believes living between identities is where creativity comes from, and what Rabbi Jonathan Sacks changed in how he understands Israel's story.

He also gets specific about the present. The Christian population of Israel has grown from 34,000 in 1950 to roughly 189,000 today, against collapse almost everywhere else in the region. Deek explains what he hears from church leaders behind closed doors that they will not say on camera, and why he thinks the story of Israel is the story of the last hope of the region's minorities.

The conversation closes with a lightning round, including where he would take Jesus first if he came back.

Statecraft with Avi Jorisch is a production of the Israel Economic Forum. Conversations with the people shaping the destiny of Israel and the Jewish people.

Conversations with the people shaping the destiny of Israel and the Jewish people.

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