• Episode 6: In My Fathers House
    Jun 19 2020
    Songs, Stories & Shenanigans, Podcast6:  In My Father’s House First and foremost, Happy Father’s Day to all the dad’s and acting as Dad’s out there.  It is not the title that gets the happy, it is the action’s that you exhibit – the things you do when no one is watching, that makes me send the sentiments. I don’t have any kids myself; it hurts, especially at Christmas and family gatherings.  I squeeze what joy I can out of my 25 nieces and nephews, when they let me. I thank you for everything you do, noticed and not, to make this big wide world, a better place. Father’s Day took a long time to become an official holiday in the United States. The first Father’s Day was celebrated on June 19, 1910 in Spokane, Washington. In 1924, United States President Calvin Coolidge recommended the day as a national holiday. In 1966, President Lyndon Johnson made a proclamation for a day to celebrate fathers and declared that an official Father’s Day be held every year on the third Sunday in June.  In 1972, President Richard Nixon made the proclamation a law.   While the holiday originated in the United States, other countries, including Ireland, have adopted the celebration.  I asked my dad if he would take me to the zoo? He answered, 'If the zoo wants you, let them come and get you.' So Happy Father’s Day to those who live out all that being a father to someone means. Then, personally, I  offer Congratulations to John & Eileen O’Brien, my parents, celebrating their 60thWedding Anniversary tomorrow. How they raised 4 kids, sent them all to Catholic grade school, HS and college, I will never know. We were and are so blessed for their love, self-sacrifice and guidance, instilling love for each other, values, volunteerism, pride in heritage and pride in America and being American, as well as awareness of just how blessed we are. Imagine leaving your home, your country, often having never seen a building taller than a few stories, then going to Canada, America or where ever you landed, only for want of a job, any job, and some food.  Just wanting a chance to make your own way.  My dad was not the oldest son; he knew he would not get the farm.Many, many of my friends have lived the song, My Grandfather’s Immigrant Eyes, with their own fathers or grandfathers.  To a lesser degree, I did with my own dad, who emigrated in 1956.  The isle of tears in the song refers to is Ellis Island.  It was written by Guy Clark For me, my favorite singer of this song is Alec DeGabriele, of The New Barleycorn. Here is an excerpt: My Grandfather’s Immigrant Eyes            Oh, Ellis Island was swarming Like a scene from a costume ball, Decked out in the colors of Europe, And on fire with the hope of it all. There my father's own father stood huddled With the tired and hungry and scared, Turn of the century pilgrims, Bound by the dream that they shared. They were standing in lines just like cattle, Poked and sorted and shoved. Some were one desk away from sweet freedom. Some were torn from someone they loved, Through this sprawling tower of Babel Came a young man confused and alone, Determined and bound for America, And carryin' everything that he owned. Sometimes, when I look in my grandfather's immigrant eyes, I see that day reflected and I can't hold my feelings inside. I see starting with nothing and working hard all of his life, Don't take it for granted, your grandfather's immigrant eyes. I never knew my grandfather’s, on either side. My dad’s dad died when he was 2. My Mom’s dad died before I was born. These lessons from my parents have lasted for all of us kids, and their 25 grandkids, my nieces and nephews, with a life of living for others. We arise each day knowing that each day, we exchange 1 day of our life, for SOMETHING; make it be worthwhile O Lord. At the end of that day, when we look back, did we make our world better, that day? To me, it is amazing to think, we started in America with just my folks. They met in Montreal after my dad emigrated there from Ireland in 1956. They married in 1960, and had 4 kids, 2 in Montreal, and two in America. We grew up not having any relations in the U.S., when our friends were meeting cousins at seemingly every gathering or pub. Now, our 6 pak has become nearly 3 cases full, in what seems like just a few years, though it is actually six decades, and 3 generations. The grandkids are learning so much from my folks too – we were all raised in houses were volunteerism is a natural, given, right thing to do.  I hear my dad’s voice, in their shouts.  I see my mom’s ready laughter, and always the singing, the helping, when I gather round my sister’s dinner tables, when I am so lucky as to visit them. I love the song, In My Father’s House. I first heard it sung on Joanie Madden’s Folk & Irish Cruise, in a mad late session in some corner of the ship.  I don’t know the young woman’s name who sang it, but I still recall her ...
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    18 min
  • Songs, Stories & Shenanigans, Episode 5: Anti-Racist
    Jun 5 2020
    You may have seen the term Anti-Racist pop up on social media this past week, or before. Being anti-racist is viewing all racial groups as equal and supporting policies that lead to equality and justice. It not only means to acknowledge that racism exists, but to fight it whenever it arises. Don’t be tone deaf either. I cannot speak for my brother, for I have never walked as a minority in America. But my forebears did. They experienced racism as Irish immigrants in America, the No Irish Need Apply, and all that hardship that mentality symbolizes. Under British overlords, they were stolen or sentenced to slavery, often in Barbados, or even the U.S. “The curse of Cromwell: revisiting the Irish slavery debate” By John Donoghue, searches through the comparison between Irish and black slaves. Donoghue is an associate professor of history at Loyola University, Chicago. Published in 18th-19th Century Social Perspectives, Early Modern History Social Perspectives, Features, Issue 4 (July/August 2017), Volume 25 A few excerpts from this work, both relevant, and insightful: “Cromwell himself oversaw the first wave of colonial transportation to the Caribbean. Writing to parliament after leading the slaughter at Drogheda (Drohg heed ah) in September 1649, the general reported that the ‘officers were knocked on the head, and every tenth man of the soldiers killed, and the rest shipped for the Barbadoes’. Slipping easily into imperial voice, Cromwell argued that massacre and transportation were benevolent forms of terrorism, as they would frighten the Irish into submission and thus ‘prevent the effusion of blood for the future’. In this light, the history of Irish slavery should lead to solidarity with—rather than scorn for—the deep history driving the Black Lives Matter movement. Interracial solidarity may be the only means by which we can lift the curse of Cromwell that still haunts the Irish in America.  “Importantly, Irish servants and others from England and Scotland referred to themselves as ‘slaves’. African slaves also regarded Irish field hands as slaves. An anonymous writer on Barbados, most likely Major John Scott, wrote in 1667 that the Irish were ‘derided by the negroes, and branded with the epithet of “white slaves”’. Africans referred to the Irish as slaves, as the Irish did themselves, to reflect the brutal exploitation they endured as unfree plantation workers who, having been kidnapped or transported, were violently forced to work against their will. Irish sailors voyaging to the West Indies on commercial ventures or with Prince Rupert’s Royalist fleet in 1652 would have seen Irish people subjected to plantation bondage. In 1655, Irish sailors had themselves been transported after being captured serving with Royalist forces.” The Irish race – faced 800 years of attempts to euthanize us. An Gorta Mor, The Great Hunger, whose epicenter was Black 47, is only the most famous. Still they, and we, stand. The Jewish race - faced the Holocaust, and 6 million of them were murdered. Still they, and we, stand. The American Indian race – Driven from their centuries long owned land, treaties violated and starvation. Still they, and we, stand. The Black and Brown race – faced Slavery. Still they, and we, stand. Unfortunately, I am sure there are other such defining cultural attempts at systemic euthanasia. Why did so many Irish become cops, lawyers and then judges, with each succeeding generation following, even to today? This doesn’t lessen the Black cause, it validates it. Despite attempts by others, an equal opportunity gained through hard work, perseverance, wisdom and planning was available to us, often with a hand down for the ones coming after.  Blacks did not, and some still do not, have that.  To revisit Donaghue above, “… approximately twelve million Africans who endured the Middle Passage to the Americas from the early sixteenth century through to the late nineteenth century, who, if they lived (approximately two million of them perished), faced perpetual slavery for themselves and their children, something whites never or almost never experienced.”  The difference for the Irish is that it did not pass on to their children. You cannot equate Irish bondage with perpetual, racial slavery, as experienced by Black slaves. Similarities, certainly. Understanding and empathy, certainly. But surely you can see the systemic racism evident past and present, not just in America, but systemic here for sure. Is silence consent?  Are you, like me, afraid to speak up at times, for fear of saying the wrong thing to our brothers and sisters, and be accused of being a racist, which would crush my human loving soul, while really just wanting to help? In both interest and profession, I study our Irish and American history, and in overlap, I know just a little of what Black history is.   But, just a little. I listen, I strive to understand, to do more than just ...
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    14 min
  • Episode 4: We Will Never Forget, at a Time We Can Never Forget
    May 22 2020
    Songs, Stories & Shenanigans: Today’s Podcast: We Will Never Forget, in a Time We Will Never Forget Songs, Stories & Shenanigans: Today’s Podcast: We Will Never Forget, in a Time We Will Never Forget Ireland lays claims to lots of inventions, including color photography, whiskey distilling, the ejector seat, guided missiles, hypodermic syringe, the modern tractor, the portable defibrillator, rubber-soled shoes, and of course - Guinness.  A tiny part of the big list, but interesting none the less. But to me, being Irish has always involved a great love for and influence by, music. Can you guess who said this:"I started with rock n' roll and...then you start to take it apart like a child with a toy and you see there's blues and there's country...Then you go back from country into American music...and you end up in Scotland and Ireland eventually."                                                            - Mr. Elvis Costello The Irish have always been associated with music. Ireland is the only country in the world to have a musical instrument, the haro, as its national symbol. That’s right, The Harp is the official national symbol of Ireland.  It was played by Brian Boru, one of my forebears, and the last true and now legendary High King, who ruled all Ireland in the 8th & 9th centuries. The harp has been a symbol of Ireland ever since. In 1542, Ireland adopted it as their official symbol. In 1922, the Republic of Ireland adopted a left-facing harp, based on the Trinity College Harp located in the library of Trinity College, in Dublin as its official symbol. It appears on state documents and seals, along with the cover of every Irish passport. The medieval tradition of printing harps on Irish coins also continues into the present, with the left-facing Trinity College Harp featuringon Irish printed Euro. The harp is a tribute symbol, of our history and our bards, our past, and our present.  We have a gift for music, the land of saints and scholars, Bards and lawmen. As you may know, last week was Police Memorial Week. With Covid19, all public ceremony events were cancelled, tho many still observed, and many others were able to watch the smaller ceremonies online.  This is the first time in my 14 years with the Sheriff’s Office that I did not attend, and shoot, the ceremonies.  It has always been such a moving, at times heart-wrenching salute to those we lost, with the message to their loved ones that We Will Never Forget.  They do not walk alone, even tho they have lost a peace officer, Brother or Sister, parent, sibling, child or a loved one in the line of duty. - John F. Kennedy said: Tolerance implies no lack of commitment to one’s own beliefs.  Rather, it condemns the oppression or persecution of others.           To law enforcement and their families and friends from across the United States and Canada and to those from right here in Cuyahoga County that join us each year for the Annual Commemoration ceremony, I send these thoughts. I am honored to recognize and reflect with law enforcement officers and their families on the dedication, the sacrifices and the honor of all officers. I wish to say thank you, and I wish to encourage each of you, to continue to strive, whether an officer or an officer’s loved ones, to not only live up to the code you follow, but to be strengthened by it.  We don’t gather alone; we gather together. We don’t fight for justice alone; we fight for it, together; and most of all, we don’t stand alone, each and every person, stands together. In pain and in joy, in sorrow, celebration or solace, we stand together. Officers wear the badges that represent honor, dignity, truth and justice; families wear those character traits too.  For those who have lost, and for those who step up to secure safety and sooth souls on the streets each day, we stand with you, every day. Sometimes those gifts last a career; sometimes the ultimate sacrifice shows the last full measure of devotion, which can never truly be prepared for.  We usually don’t know why they had to die, but we know them, and what they stand for.   From each other, together, we softly gather those gifts. We remember how they served with honor, they and their families. We remember the joys they brought, and the joys those officers brought them. We remember their smile, and how or what they strived for and against, in their days and nights. We remember most of all that they loved us, and we love them. That will never fade, nor falter. So, let us reflect and remember, looking back and looking forward, guided by what we stand for, together, illuminated so fully and frequently by honor, dignity, truth and justice; illuminated with such love from each of us, and for them and for each other. We stand together, fortified, passionately proud of who they were and who we are. We stand, together. The Greater Cleveland Peace Officers ...
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    10 min
  • Episode 3: Love, Mother's Day
    May 9 2020
    Welcome to our 3rd Podcast, after a slight COVID Delay.  We’ll be here every 2nd Friday at 5 pm, alternating with the two times a month eBulletin that goes out via email to over 12,000 opted-in subscribers. Ready, Set, Woe! First, and foremost. Thank you. Thank you for sticking with us. Thank you for all of your letters and emails and support, when we did not print the April issue, putting only the interactive edition on our website. When I see so many of our advertisers forced to close or go to some form of takeout/delivery, and the damage they are suffering, a few thousand dollars loss is immaterial.  We did not charge any advertiser in April, with the hope that those reading the interactive OhioIANews online will click on advertisers’ ads, go to their website, shop and/or order carryout or curbside pickup. We did the same for this May issue. No charges to our advertising partners. Thank you for your new subscription orders stating that you will read the OhioIANews online, and  therefore are refusing a mailed copy. NOW THAT IS TRUST. I am so angry to hear the latest implosion by the Cleveland Plain Dealer, the only daily newspaper in Greater Cleveland. I never thought "our" Cleveland Plain Dealer would drop to intentional elimination of local people reporting local issues, union people, to become ??? what - filler for the ad pages on Cleveland.com? Or, in effect, by design, extinct. I know and have worked with so many of the reporters, favorites like Michael K. McIntyre, Rachel Dissell, Roxanne Washington, John Cobra Verde Petkovic, Laura DeMarco, and on and on ...  those whose columns I seek out daily. I like the weekly local Scene for its angles and music scene, but it's not unbiased in any way. Publishing a monthly newsmagazine like I do, I can't offer direct timely coverage, like so many of these reporters mentioned above always did. This is a virus with no vaccine, and it has a 100% kill rate. I am truly sorry that professional reporters are forced to take this greed-fueled hit. Money is short; times are hard, but we always held up, those with the media card. I had a great chat this morning with Dan Fedoryka, of Scythian, checking in first, chatting about the new normal. and then talking about the virus damage to musicians, the supporting casts, and the venues they play, including festivals, which are being cancelled.  Scythian has a new CD coming out in July; the guys are very excited with what they have heard so far; I can’t wait to hear it and feature it in the July issue. In a divisive world, will it take a virus to finally bring us together, albeit six feet apart? Can we finally reach the point of saying, even though someone’s point of view may be different, I won’t let that different POV undermine the much more important, lasting meaning of friendship? Life is much bigger than that. The only really decent thing to do behind a person’s back is to pat it.I can disagree with someone’s opinion, even discuss it and learn something from it, agree or not, without resorting to snide, personal or toxic attacks. And I can simply move on. What are you trying to accomplish? Beware the green-eyed monster. Christianity has a lot of ills, but also teaches, a lot of love. So, that’s a bit of the theme this podcast: Love, or in Irish, Grá, for people, efforts, heroes and harmony. Did you see the story earlier this week in the Irish Independent? It is titled: Grateful Irish honour their Famine debt to Choctaw tribe The generosity dates back to a gesture made in March 1847 when the Choctaw tribe heard of the Great Famine. Funds for native American tribes who have been badly hit by coronavirus are flooding in from Ireland as they repay a debt dating back to the 19th-century famine. At least 41 people have fallen victim to Covid-19 in the Navajo Nation, which straddles parts of Utah, Arizona and New Mexico. The rise in cases is partly attributed to a water crisis.  An estimated 40pc of the Navajo do not have running water at home, and a drought in the south-west exacerbated the crisis.  As the pandemic intensified, the Navajo and Hopi families set up a GoFundMe campaign to raise cash to pay for bottled water. Already more than $1.3m (€1.2m) has been raised, with donations flooding in from Ireland.  The generosity dates back to a gesture made in March 1847 when the Choctaw tribe, which was gradually re-establishing itself in Oklahoma having been ousted from its ancestral lands in Mississippi, heard of the Great Famine.  Meeting in a building in Skullyville, Oklahoma, the Choctaw were asked to dig deep for people miles away they had never met. They did and the donations poured in.  Now, 173 years later, the gesture is being repaid with donors from Ireland.  "The Choctaw and Navajo people helped the Irish during the Great Famine, despite their own suffering," wrote Michael Corkery, who donated $200.  "When I learned about it, I never forgot it. It's history now, but we are still ...
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    16 min
  • Episode 2: The Irish In Cleveland ~ A History
    May 1 2020
    Welcome to the 2nd Songs, Stories & Shenanigans Podcast. This is J publisher & Editor of the OhioIANews. I’d like to start out with sharing a story form this month’s issue, Called Donnybrook, written by John Myers. Our heritage, American and for me, Irish, is the blueprint of what makes us who we are; have you been to The Greater Cleveland An Gorta Mor Stone? It is a good place to start. The Stone, on the banks of the Cuyahoga River, as well as a stone’s throw away, Settler’s Landing, soothed by the flowing Cuyahoga – the river, both physically and symbolically, is the gateway to Cleveland, for anyone, but especially, for the Irish. The river was the reason many came to Cleveland, and the gateway to Irish Town Bend. Irishtown Bend runs along this River, along the Flats. It is roughly the area from West 25th Street east to the river / north of Detroit Road. It was swampy. It was developed during the 1830s by the Irish who came to the area as laborers for the construction of the city's railways and canal. Many soon found work on the bustling city docks, or in the growing industries. Steel wouldn’t come until later of course, but other industries did. The area was characterized by the extreme poverty of the outcast Irish. We all know of the “No Irish Need Apply” signs, right? On shops, in newspapers – there is plenty of proof, if you wish to find it. For a period, the majority of the poorer Irish who came here lived in nothing more than flimsy shacks, built from discarded wood, anything they could find on the sometimes shifting hillside above the polluted and disease propagating river. Due to their outcast status in Cleveland (or name your city) society, the Irish formed a very close knit, closed neighborhood, much like the Italians & other ethnic groups like mine did. I kid you not when I say 3 and 4 FAMILIES, lived in a room, in double and triple decker houses. The weight alone sometimes caused the collapse of the houses. They would stop, bury the dead, and salvage whatever material could be used to build a new shelter, on the same spot. The constant threat of disease and the backbreaking work most engaged in made life in Irishtown tough, at times violent, and often very short. A bachelor’s life is no life for a single man in Irishtown bend. Life was centered on 10-12 hour workdays, 6, or 7, days a week; their community; the pub; and their faith. We all know of the Irish reputation for drinking. I hate stereotypes; don’t spread them. The brave may not live forever....but the cautious never live at all. There are some who will disagree with this history and say the poverty, the crowding didn’t happen. I think they look too late, in time. It evaporated when business pushed it out, heading into the new century. Increased immigration during the 1840s as Ireland headed toward Black 47 brought more of their countrymen, causing Irish Town Bend to expand. The neighborhood became known as the Angle, including old Irishtown and Whiskey Island. In the 1860s, St. Malachi Church was built in Irishtown, with St. Patrick's on Bridge near Fulton built earlier a little further west. With continued growth, the Irish expanded as far west as West 65th Street, adding a third parish, St. Colman's on W 65th & Madison, in the 1880s. West 65th Street was the first location of the West Side Irish American Club, before moving to W 93rd, and then to Olmsted Twp, where they have been since 1990. It is the largest of the Irish clubs, with 1,900 households as members. My dad has been President since 1991. As the Irish immigrants entered the 1900s, they had started to gain some upward mobility in society. Cops led to lawyers led to judges and through it all, politics. Increased industry and job opportunities, as well as business of their own where they paid it forward by providing jobs to newly arriving Irish, allowed for economic growth in the community. Irish to Irish called those that did well Lace Irish – both a hidden source of pride at making it, and a derogatory term, at taking on airs of success. Who knew being able to afford curtains would carry so much meaning? However, the Angle, especially Irishtown, remained the poorest area. This remained the case until early into the 20th century. As the Irish of Cleveland began to join the ranks of the middle class, they left Irishtown and headed for the western suburbs of Lakewood, Fairview Park and West Park, where I was born and raised, and returned to. I was working at a coalmine in Alabama when I got a job offer to return to Cleveland. Whoosh, I was gone. On Irishtown Bend, the homes that were left behind would become inhabited by Hungarian immigrants for a brief time, and then abandoned. An Gorta Mor Stone was designed, funded and placed by the Greater Cleveland Hunger Memorial Committee, founded by John O’Brien, Sr., my dad, and made up with “get things done” people from throughout our community, like me. It is a 10-ton, 10-foot stone, hand carved...
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    20 min
  • Episode 1: Raised on Songs & Stories
    Mar 17 2020
    Kiss me I’m Irish? St. Patrick’s Day? Why is St. Patrick’s Day/Week/Month celebrated with shenanigans all over the world? Where did St. Patrick really come from (Hint, it wasn’t Ireland). And where do we come from? How did we really get to such a day of meaning so deep, that the Irish and almost everyone else too, celebrate it so boisterously? Not just for a day or weekend, but now, for the whole month of March? What’s the true, authentic Story? Our very first podcast shall tackle these burning issues, and really, what are shenanigans? Why do the Irish dislike the clover but love the shamrock and why they are different, and of course, no celebration is worth its Irish Sea salt, without music.  So, since everyone is Irish on St. Patrick’s Day, Sing Irish Men and Women, sing, with us! Hosted by Ohio Irish American News Publisher & Editor John O’Brien, Jr. Raised on Songs, Stories and Shenanigans is brought to you by the Ohio Irish American News and WHK The Answer. It airs every other Friday, at 5, on whkradio.com and OhioIANews.com, but is available for download, whenever you wish. Songs, Stories & Shenanigans The Invitationby Batt BurnsUsed with permission of Batt Burns Pull up your sugan chairs, my friends Close out the green half door And gather around the peat turf fire As we did in days of yore. I am glad you rambled in tonight, For the house was quiet and still. Herself was carding sheep wool, while I, my pipe did fill. There wasn’t a word between us, you’d swear a row was on. But memories were with us, of our children now all gone. To America and England, those lands across the foam Will they ever laugh and joke again, in our cozy Irish home? You’ve waked us from our reverie. Maybe it’s just as well. Before those memories saddened us, and a tear or two were shed. Your happy faces cheer us up. You’ve surely brought some news. And from my store of yarns, sure you all can pick and choose. Look to the blazing flame there, do you see what I can see, Dark heroes, fairy castles, warriors fighting to be free? There’s leprechauns and fairy folks, Oisin and Finn Mac Cool I can see them all so plainly there, from my little fireplace stool. Come back into the past with me as I speak of olden days When life was much more simple, and we all had purer ways. Oh there were no lounge bars or discos. TV we did not know. Yet we had fun and sport a plenty, in the Kerry of long ago. I was born and raised in Cleveland, Ohio.  1st Generation.  So my roots go much deeper in Ireland, than they do in the U.S.  I never thought much about it, until I went to Ireland.  I remember the air, and the peace I felt, sitting on a stone wall, waiting for the train to Dublin and singing Kenny Roger’s songs with my sister Cathy. For me, a whole new valley of thought opened up.  The missing connection, the only time in my life I have not felt deep-core restlessness, of not belonging, was when I was in Ireland.  That feeling was not repeated until seventeen years later - when I went back.  In an abandoned and disappearing churchyard I saw wind-rubbed tombstones that carried the same names as I know well today; George, Hubert, Desmond (who died in 1698), O’Brien’s all.  Phillip O’Brien, my cousin, is the 11th generation to mind the hills and cows, milk the milk and sheer the sheep at Atteagh Mills.Atteagh Mills, near the town of Athlone, is in the Co. Roscommon, in south central Ireland. South Central LA it is not.  It is farm country.  His nephew is the 11th generation to mind the cows and sheep at Atteagh Mills.  The “New House” is 266 years old, older than this country, and the old house? Well, it is just old, dating back to the 1600s.  We have roots there. I have never “walked the land” with my father, as so many memoirs deem essential.  Yet, I look out and see our ghosts, I hear their music, and that peace once again settles down, through my toes. I am rooted. Yet, only in my memory does the taste of belonging remain. The feeling of Ireland, nurtured by dances at West Side IA, bands, Sunday morning 78’s, then 8-tracks, before mass, and then Gaelic Football games and gatherings; Immersion at 3,000 miles.  My father left Ireland soon after playing for the 1951 All-Ireland winning Roscommon U-21 Gaelic Football team.  He was not the oldest son.  The first time he returned was for his mother’s funeral, 38 years later.  Through the roots of my past, I sometimes feel, that I never left.  Since the Beginning of Man, The Hours between the Coming of Night and the Coming of Sleep have belonged to the Tellers of Tales and the Makers of Music I grew up in a house immersed in Irish culture.  Growing up, the things I remember most are the frequent guests that we had stay overnight, when they were playing in Cleveland.  Bridie Gallagher, Dermot O’Brien, Glen Curtin, Noel Henry, Makem and the Clancys, Barleycorn as well: so many names, so many memories.  When I woke to the ...
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    13 min