My interview with Dr. Gurinder Grewal, a Sikh activist and founder of World Sikh News, who supports the idea of a sovereign nation for Sikhs, often called Khalistan.

We discussed the concepts of sovereignty, justice, nationhood, guerilla warfare, and much else.

We also discussed Bhindranwale, the assassination of the chief minister of Punjab in the 1990s, and India's alleged killings of Sikh activists in the west.

Here are some books that Dr. Grewal recommended to understand the history of the conflict:

"The Khalistan Conspiracy: A Former R&aw Officer Unravels The Path To 1984" - GBS Sidhu

"Turmoil In Punjab: Before and After Blue Star: An Insider's Account" - Ramesh Inder Singh

"In the Service of Free India: Memoir of a Civil Servant" - BD Pande

He also recommended Thomas Paine books:

“Thomas Paine : Collected Writings : Common Sense / The American Crisis / The Rights of Man / The Age of Reason / A Letter Addressed to the Abbe Raynal”

Some articles that listeners and readers might find informative:

“Where does Udta Punjab get its drugs from?” - Newslaundry

“Insurgency in Punjab, India” - Wikipedia

“Jarnail Singh Bhindranwale” - Wikipedia

“1984 anti-Sikh riots” - Wikipedia

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An Indian-American journalist’s report from the Sikhs For Justice referendum on breaking up India to form a new country called Khalistan.

Shownotes: The Land of the Pure: at the Khalistan Referendum

Highlights:

• An interview with a co-founder of Sikhs For Justice

• An interview with a victim of the 1984 pogrom

• Interviews with referendum voters

• An altercation between an Indian woman and a Sikh man, a microcosm of the wider conflict

• “Death to India” chants

• A brief history of how we got here